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Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?

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Re: Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?

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> But what if I get reported on my domain name? What if that gets suspended or blacklisted too?

Forget about all NFTs-as-scam-overpriced-jpegs, but this is exactly what web3/blockchain-based domains are for. Take a look at https://ens.domains or https://unstoppabledomains.com/

Re: Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?

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post #16

In sensible jurisdictions, a tenant cannot be kicked out for non-payment of rent without a court order. That's right, a debtor who owes money to another cannot be booted without an independent government body approving it. So it's not inherently wrong to say a user of a free service should have some rights. In some situations, it's not fair to pull the rug out under people. I think that there will come a point where…

And as always it will backfire on users! Now it is impossible to find unlimited rentals, every contract has yearly extensions! In some countries landlords even rotate tenants every two years, else they would get extra rights from long stay.

Limited rentals are actually banned unless you have a very specific reason (you plan to occupy the flat yourself, you plan to renovate extensively or the flat is meant for temp workers - so no extensions and much shorter intervals) in Germany as well.

Re: Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?

#63
Why doesn't Google just rate limit suspected gmail accounts to incoming only and demand that the user identifies for continued use with strikes as on youtube..?

I've commented negatively about Google before, and this seems like a very harsh punishment based on what I assume is a rule/ML based anti spammer policy with no humans in the loop.

Re: Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?

#64

An important tip if you intend to send everything to gmail. Do NOT send everything to gmail via forward. Every bit of spam you forward is going to count against your domain name. I had someone who did this on a community server and it wrecked our rating for a while. Instead, have gmail pick up your email via pop3. This will avoid the "spam origin/relay" problem of forwarding.

Well, IMAP rather than POP3. I don’t think there’s a single legitimate reason to use POP3 any more (or has been for at least a decade).

The fetch approach has some significant caveats.

Firstly, it introduces something like 5–10 minutes of latency before you receive messages compared with forwarding, so it’s not suitable for every purpose. If you’re accessing via the webmail, forcing a refresh may trigger remote fetches too, if you know to expect something.

Secondly, if you leave messages on the server, there’s an undocumented limit at which point it will stop fetching mail, probably without notifying you. Back in early I think it was 2015, I went for a couple of weeks before I realised I wasn’t getting any email to what had been my primary address for six or so years (there were still just enough things going to my @gmail.com address that I didn’t notice), and on investigation, it told me that it refused to fetch from a mailbox containing more than 50,000 messages.

(Qualifier: I haven’t touched Gmail for five years (I now use Fastmail), so parts of this could be obsolete or altered.)

Re: Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?

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post #44

A lot of us have also been caught out by Google announcing they are forcing free G-Suite Legacy users to upgrade. Here is where I am heading (having given the matter much thought and some testing, trial and error) Free Gmail/Cal account as I enjoy the software My own custom domains with any registrar Paid Fastmail account storing all my emails to all my domains/aliases at Fastmail All Fastmail messages forwarded to G…

Also caught in the Legacy drama. :-( still haven't decided what to do about it. blurg.

Re: Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?

#66

Apologies for going meta here: Could I urge that posters follow the site convention of prefixing the title with with Ask HN, Tell HN, etc. for posts that don't link to an external source? There are currently two such posts in the top 30. HN is primarily for discussing external articles, and I'd suggest that this post should have been submitted as such.

I'm curious, what problem does it create for you, clicking a link you momentarily thought was to an external site before realising it's actually a discussion on this site? Honest question, you might have a good answer, I'm not trying to be rhetorical.

Maybe not necessarily a "problem" but giving them the right prefix makes them show up in the https://news.ycombinator.com/show and https://news.ycombinator.com/ask header links which are sometimes also implemented in HN apps as separate categories.

Re: Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?

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post #51

> lost access to paid services that I had set up with social login I signed up to Quora with my Facebook account, back in the day. Deleted Facebook in 2013 and lost access to my Quora account, with no possible way to recover it. I haven't used a social login since. In my case, it was fairly harmless, but it made me realise how dangerous social login is. Every time there's a signup, I look for "signup with email". It'…

There really needs to be a zero cost custom-domain email hosting solution. I'd love to have webmail on my own domain, hosted by someone else, and with ads on the side. Those ads should generate ~$20 per user per year (after all, they can be targeted based on emails I'm sending and receiving, and I'll be looking at them many minutes every day - the perfect combination for high revenue ads). With $20/user/year, there s…

Why can't you just go around selling your data to the highest bidders and use the money to pay for the myriad of already-existing hosting providers?

I'll tell you why: because you are not worth that much to advertisers. If you are so cheap to the point of asking to get your data harvested, chances are you never going to be a high-value customer.

Re: Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?

#68
The significant risk of the way Google operates is there isn't much firewalling of the services. If one piece decides you're a scammer, that account can lose access to everything... And they'll tie other accounts to the offending one and lock those too.

Relying on Google is a single point of failure.

Re: Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?

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post #16

In sensible jurisdictions, a tenant cannot be kicked out for non-payment of rent without a court order. That's right, a debtor who owes money to another cannot be booted without an independent government body approving it. So it's not inherently wrong to say a user of a free service should have some rights. In some situations, it's not fair to pull the rug out under people. I think that there will come a point where…

And as always it will backfire on users! Now it is impossible to find unlimited rentals, every contract has yearly extensions! In some countries landlords even rotate tenants every two years, else they would get extra rights from long stay.

Seems to work well in Germany, though.

Re: Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?

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post #30

When you put it this way, it's really quite remarkable how tenuous our hold is on even paid for digital services. There is really nothing you could do with a car to prompt the car maker to take it from you. And the state will only take it if you break the law in particularly dangerous ways. When it comes to other possessions it's even harder for anyone to take them away from you. If I take a kitchen knife and stab so…

> There is really nothing you could do with a car to prompt the car maker to take it from you.

Maybe not take it from you, but with new cars that are always connected (Tesla et. al). They can certainly make them quite terrible if they want to... access to superchargers has been removed when "owners" use unauthorized work shops for instance.

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