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Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?

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Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?

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There is zero chance that your career is going to be detailed by sticking withS technology at this point - it just might not be the most interesting.

Azure is an inferior platform to the alternatives on a technical level, but they make up for it with stronger enterprise relationship-building than AWS/GCP, and they do generally try to keep up with broad AWS capabilities of not the actual quality.

Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?

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Scott Hanselman coined the phrase "Dark Matter Developers" nearly a decade ago (!) [1] to describe the idea that something like "99%" of developers in the world are doing stuff that is "unsexy" and "boring" and "mature" and "gets the job done" and "I can just clock out at 5pm and stop worrying about it". One of the key complaints about "Dark Matter Developers" is that you mostly don't hear from them (especially on HN…

My startup sublet from a company that did dark matter development. Not sexy work, but they had low turnover, and tended to be in and out of the office at normal hours.

J. Fogerty, if you're reading this, I miss overhearing your engineering conversations with your colleagues.

Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?

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Azure has about 21% market share and revenue of around $15.1bn (sort of, MSFT bundle it with 'Intelligent Services' in their reporting). Someone must be using it. It clearly isn't dead. Secondly, some recruiters are liars who will tell you literally anything to try to get you to apply for jobs they're recruiting for. A recruiter saying MSFT stack is a dead-end just means they don't have many MSFT stack jobs on their…

And moreover that 21% is trending upwards according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/967365/worldwide-cloud-i...

A lot of early cloud adopters were more "nimble" organisations who didn't have deep ties to MS enterprise agreements. We are now in the phase where those large enterprises have gotten over their early cloud experimentation phase and are migrating for real - which will result in a bit of an MS resurgence I expect.

Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?

#64
game industry is partly based on microsoft stack. high performance services for either game services / finance are also based on .net stack. I'm no microsoft and don't have much experience with the stack except F#, but I know you're likely to starve doing the new js / golang stuff than you're doing msft stack. hn might make noise, but the industry numbers prove for themselves

Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?

#65
In my experience, Azure seems quite in demand recently, and there's a lot of legacy Microsoft-based stacks that companies are migrating to Azure and need expertise to do so.

And of course, Microsoft-based stacks (MSSQL, ASP.NET, .NET including Core) is still a very solid stack that gets shit done. It may not be "sexy" but if you look beyond the "developer" angle and look at the "solving business problems" angle, you can "get shit done" with an MS stack and your clients won't care because they only want the "shit done", regardless of how it is done.

Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?

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Scott Hanselman coined the phrase "Dark Matter Developers" nearly a decade ago (!) [1] to describe the idea that something like "99%" of developers in the world are doing stuff that is "unsexy" and "boring" and "mature" and "gets the job done" and "I can just clock out at 5pm and stop worrying about it". One of the key complaints about "Dark Matter Developers" is that you mostly don't hear from them (especially on HN…

I'm one of those 99% and we're a Microsoft shop.

Would I love to branch out into different stacks and have lots of side projects that I could show off on HN? Sure. But a "stable and boring" 9-5 job gives me the work/life balance that I need.

Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?

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Reminds me of a CS professor telling me that a COBOL programmer will never go hungry ... and it's still true :-) MS stack will be high quality and used by clients with $$$ for the rest of your career. With that said, any serious non-MS shop will be happy to have your experience and so switching up stacks shouldn't be a problem either if you find a good team. I would just apply broadly and go from there.

> MS stack will be high quality I've yet to experience a MS product that I would consider to be "high quality" (including Azure)

Why the same quote and reply with both your accounts?

Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?

#68
At my last job (left about a year ago) I worked for a large Enterprise software company that was moving to a PaaS/SaaS model from historically being an on-prem vendor.

A lot of customers would hear "We are on AWS" and immediately follow up with "Are you planning on Azure? We have standardized on Azure." So many customers asked about running one of the PaaS products on Azure that the company was basically forced to build an Azure version. These were all well known Fortune companies in the Fortune 100/500, not some failing big-corp.

That being said, the customers were all large non software companies (e.g. Volkswagen). We definitely didn't sell to startups outside of some marketing BS.

I don't think Azure is a dead-end. But from a pure job flexibility standpoint, AWS obviously gives you the largest set of employers to choose from if you want to work for a startup or software company.

Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?

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Scott Hanselman coined the phrase "Dark Matter Developers" nearly a decade ago (!) [1] to describe the idea that something like "99%" of developers in the world are doing stuff that is "unsexy" and "boring" and "mature" and "gets the job done" and "I can just clock out at 5pm and stop worrying about it". One of the key complaints about "Dark Matter Developers" is that you mostly don't hear from them (especially on HN…

Yep, we sometime forget how lucky we are to be doing 'fun' stuff...

When I worked on Wall St., I did soooo many accounting reports I wanted to pull my hair out :-P I'm guessing most programmers are in that boat, doing maintenance programming for accounting apps, billing apps, etc.

But like you said, it was decent pay and zero stress...

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