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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working on “downloading” knowledge to the brain?

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No, we are very far from anything like that. I would watch Neuralink's recruiting events for a sense of where things are. They are trying to make a robot that will insert dozens of threads with several hundred tiny electrodes on these threads. This will allow reading a high-resolution picture of that part of the brain's activity. You can then hook this up to a computer and train yourself to map your brain's signals t…

Was going to mention Neuralink. This long article goes into a lot of detail of the vision for them https://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working on “downloading” knowledge to the brain?

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post #59

I know it's not exactly what you asked for, but in my experience, spaced repetition is borderline science fiction -- if implemented properly. It's not as instantaneous or cool as The Matrix , but it does feel like magic when you can remember obscure words or concepts years after entering them into a SRS program.

I'm interested in this, but I'm doing something wrong. On the one hand, I've downloaded AnkiDroid and played with it a bit. But I have the impression that just "seeing" the card isn't helping me. I need to be forced to write down the answer. On the other hand, I've struggled to understand what "kind" of things should go in to a card. For example, verbs: I'm learning a language that has a complex verb conjugation stru…

1. Definitely use Cloze cards. These allow you to highlight a section of text which you have to type in order to pass the card. They are much more effective than regular flash cards, especially for foreign languages (or anything that requires accurate spelling or precision typing, e.g. code syntax.)

See the Cloze Deletion section: https://docs.ankiweb.net/editing.html

2. Try to make the cards into real-world examples. For instance, don't add the conjugation table, create example sentences for each of the conjugations and make each one a card. For foreign languages, I try to add audio to my flashcards, too.

3. Always make your own cards. Downloading premade decks never works and you miss part of the learning process.

4. For things that don't necessarily lend themselves to being on a flashcard, don't just write the information. Try to frame it in terms of a question and/or in a form that mimics the context in which you'd use the information.

For example, let's say you want to memorize the periodic table. Don't just write:

Carbon - Atomic Number: 6, Chemical Symbol: C, etc.

Instead, create cards with questions like:

What is the sixth element on the periodic table?, Is carbon before or after nitrogen?, What element has the chemical symbol C? and so on.

The more "viewpoints" you have of the topic, the better. I've found this to be a solid approach for virtually any topic.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working on “downloading” knowledge to the brain?

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I'm not any kind of neurologist, but intuitively, the ways in which people seem to learn things varies so much from person to person, it seems highly likely to me that there is no universal format in which our brains store knowledge of facts and movement patterns. This bodes rather poorly for ever doing something like downloading knowledge to the brain Matrix style. Even assuming you had a way to "write" whatever neu…

This idea reminded me of reading this post series on brain evolution:

https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/jbt562/what_is_...

According to that, the current best-supported theory is that the human brain evolved the ability to think and reason in in a modern way long before they started actually doing it. The ability to actually think like that is only latent, and needs to be exposed to "recursive language" at the right point in the brain's development to actually have it. So if only under the correct stimulus does the brain develop the ability to think, it stands to reason that they don't all work in exactly the same way at a biological level.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working on “downloading” knowledge to the brain?

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What kind of waves would that be? You'd need something to resonate with specific neurons in any case.

Idk but do you need brain implants or somehow it would be possible to do it without them?

Good question...

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working on “downloading” knowledge to the brain?

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It's called "studying", which implies a form of "spaced repetition", but makes notions meaningful and "alive" by making them integrated in your "body of knowledge". To do differently - to just keep notions in a mental closet -, would be like memorizing a book: you have not read it. "Reading" - digesting information - and "memorizing" are not the same. To "study" you will have to use some sort of (often natural, impli…

With the exception of word lists for foreign language study (and to be honest, vocabulary is rarely my most important issue with foreign languages), I haven't found anything that benefits from studying flashcards. I know that flashcards were a big thing among students when I was in grade school and college (decades ago). I'm sure they helped students memorize pieces of information, but I'm not sure they helped studen…

Thing is, current flashcard software (including Anki) does not support complex "study and understand" workflows very well, but a lot could be done to improve it. Even something as trivial as supporting explicit dependencies among cards, i.e. "don't bother to show card X unless you have managed to push out repetitions of cards Y and Z beyond $time_interval" would help a lot.

This would also enable flashcard/SRS workflows to interoperate seamlessly with other memorization techniques, like memory palaces or mind maps. Foreign language vocabulary is the rare example of a domain that doesn't need these things, so flashcards are perceived as "good enough" for it.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working on “downloading” knowledge to the brain?

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With the exception of word lists for foreign language study (and to be honest, vocabulary is rarely my most important issue with foreign languages), I haven't found anything that benefits from studying flashcards. I know that flashcards were a big thing among students when I was in grade school and college (decades ago). I'm sure they helped students memorize pieces of information, but I'm not sure they helped studen…

Thing is, current flashcard software (including Anki) does not support complex "study and understand" workflows very well, but a lot could be done to improve it. Even something as trivial as supporting explicit dependencies among cards, i.e. "don't bother to show card X unless you have managed to push out repetitions of cards Y and Z beyond $time_interval" would help a lot. This would also enable flashcard/SRS workfl…

OK, thanks for confirming that it's not just me and that Anki and friends are a study tool with very limited usefulness.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working on “downloading” knowledge to the brain?

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post #59

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I'm interested in this, but I'm doing something wrong. On the one hand, I've downloaded AnkiDroid and played with it a bit. But I have the impression that just "seeing" the card isn't helping me. I need to be forced to write down the answer. On the other hand, I've struggled to understand what "kind" of things should go in to a card. For example, verbs: I'm learning a language that has a complex verb conjugation stru…

1. Definitely use Cloze cards. These allow you to highlight a section of text which you have to type in order to pass the card. They are much more effective than regular flash cards, especially for foreign languages (or anything that requires accurate spelling or precision typing, e.g. code syntax.) See the Cloze Deletion section: https://docs.ankiweb.net/editing.html 2. Try to make the cards into real-world examples…

I followed your link. It reads

> To create a cloze deletion note, select the Cloze note type, and type some text into the "Text" field. Then drag the mouse over the text you want to hide to select it, and click the [… ]

Select the Cloze note type, where exactly? I've searched both AnkiDroid and AnkiWeb (I was thinking that maybe I could creat cards from my computer and use them on my phone) and I can't find any button to make a note a "Cloze note".

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working on “downloading” knowledge to the brain?

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post #33

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Yes. I have concepts in Anki that I will be promoted to repeat again in 4 years and I've had to repeat 4-5 times in the past two years.

Why though? In what circumstances apart from preparing for exams does it makes sense to do this?

I memorize a wide variety of things:

* programming things that I use rarely enough that I don't memorize them simply from usage, but often enough that there is a time saving from having to DDG what's the exact way to do something.

* a couple personal information items like my credit card number (I don't like having it saved anywhere), my wife's phone number, my businesses registration number, etc

* moves for solving Rubik cube

* Bible verses

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working on “downloading” knowledge to the brain?

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1. Definitely use Cloze cards. These allow you to highlight a section of text which you have to type in order to pass the card. They are much more effective than regular flash cards, especially for foreign languages (or anything that requires accurate spelling or precision typing, e.g. code syntax.) See the Cloze Deletion section: https://docs.ankiweb.net/editing.html 2. Try to make the cards into real-world examples…

I followed your link. It reads > To create a cloze deletion note, select the Cloze note type, and type some text into the "Text" field. Then drag the mouse over the text you want to hide to select it, and click the [… ] Select the Cloze note type, where exactly? I've searched both AnkiDroid and AnkiWeb (I was thinking that maybe I could creat cards from my computer and use them on my phone) and I can't find any butto…

Sorry I have actually never used AnkiDroid. I think it's just a mobile app for Anki on Android? If it's like the iOS one, you can create Cloze cards from it.

Here is a video that walks you through it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d__MjidDz8c

When you create a card, it should say Card Type or Type at the top. By default, this is on Basic. Click it and you can switch to Cloze. Then highlight the text and click the [...] icon in the toolbar.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working on “downloading” knowledge to the brain?

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post #59

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I'm interested in this, but I'm doing something wrong. On the one hand, I've downloaded AnkiDroid and played with it a bit. But I have the impression that just "seeing" the card isn't helping me. I need to be forced to write down the answer. On the other hand, I've struggled to understand what "kind" of things should go in to a card. For example, verbs: I'm learning a language that has a complex verb conjugation stru…

1. Definitely use Cloze cards. These allow you to highlight a section of text which you have to type in order to pass the card. They are much more effective than regular flash cards, especially for foreign languages (or anything that requires accurate spelling or precision typing, e.g. code syntax.) See the Cloze Deletion section: https://docs.ankiweb.net/editing.html 2. Try to make the cards into real-world examples…

> Downloading premade decks never works

In my experience it works just fine. For example, using a geography deck to learn the location, flag, capital city, etc. of every country in the world. It also worked well when I taught my kids the multiplication table, the NATO phonetic alphabet, and so on.

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