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Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#61

Ask the dealer if Internet connection is an option, if so, can it be added later, can it be turned on remotely? In many cars today, the answer to all three is yes.

Just out of curiosity: how can Internet connection be turned on remotely, if the car is, well, not connected to the Internet in the first place?

I am going to guess that you know the answer to this already.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#62

Ask the dealer if Internet connection is an option, if so, can it be added later, can it be turned on remotely? In many cars today, the answer to all three is yes.

Just out of curiosity: how can Internet connection be turned on remotely, if the car is, well, not connected to the Internet in the first place?

Because it actually _is_ connected through an OnStar or similar system. You just don’t get the benefit unless you start paying the subscription cost.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#64

There's going to come a time in the near future where analogish features are going to be seen as luxury components.

Buttons and dials, sure. But no sane person is longing to buy a car without reverse cameras or collision avoidance.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#65
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> For those of us who are "old-school" and prefer their cars without fancy digital gimmicks, which cars would you recommend? Old cars. The problem is the lack of modern safety features which really makes me do a double take before considering them. I wish cannibalizing a new car and ripping out all of the useless electronics was common enough for there to be tutorials for some brands

That's certainly true, but I do feel like there's a sweet spot in the 2005-2010 area where most "critical" safety features (improved airbags, traction control, ABS brakes) are almost certainly present, but none of the modern safety features that fall more into the "augmented sensory" category (merge/blindspot detection, early braking), which I'm happy to compromise on. I drive a 2007 SUV which does everything I need…

I drive a 2007 SUV too for just this reason, and plan to move to an EV for the same reason. And there's another commenter in this thread who also has a 2007. Coincidence? I think not!

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#67
What would you use them for, and how much are you willing to spend? Classic cars and italian sport cars don't have digital gimmicks, as well as american muscle. If you really want something without digital gimmicks get a motorcycle. People who really don't want to be tracked have a motorcycle.

To answer your question, it depends on what you plan to do with the car and how much you want to spend. Toyota, Honda, Jeep, Porsche, Ford, Ferrari, Chevy.

I think you will always need a trip to the dealership and it won't even always be an issue with your infotainment. The exception is if you know how a lot about cars.

Also, people don't need your car technology to track you. I know people who lost 10k of camera equipment in their car because they were targeted using other attack vectors.

I have tesla at the moment and it has a lot of digital gimmicks. I am thinking of going into porsche or c8 in the next few months.

You brought up a really good question about privacy. I'm seeking some wisdom about that too. I know that my location, supercharging, and trips are tracked. Prob even sentry might be watched by a content moderator at tesla.

Now, let's say i switch to a porsche or a c8. Wouldn't i still have privacy risks? The risks are, my cellphone, wifi, bluetooth, credit cards, data brokers, cookies, in-store purchases, transactions, or even more sophisticated attack like using people i know as another vector.

You can even track people on the blockchain. I think the exception would be something like monero.

So, I guess can someone more knowledgable share info about the issues privacy issues with tech gadgets in cars. How big of an issue is it if you are already completely integrated in modern tech society?

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#69
I have a third-generation Mazda 3 and their tech is solid. It's the basics (Music, Radio, Calls, Messages and a modest GPS). It's solid because it's not buggy, responsive and quite simple. I'm yet to have any issues with Bluetooth (which was a hassle on Renault/Fiesta cars). It also has no other privacy invading crap.
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