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Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Create multiple copies:

1. Website that can be archived 2. Paper Prints stored in vault 3. Inscribe in stone annually 4. Send data package inscribed in stone to the moon, Mars and Haley’s comet for multiple backups. 5. Figure out a way to send a signal containing the data to space that bounces back every 100 years or so. 6. Become an important figure so humans want to archive your creations.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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post #2

Get it printed on a physical monument made of metal/stone, put it on property you own, and engage a lawyer to set up the will and property covenants to require its ongoing existence and maintenance. Our guesses about what the web looks like ten years in advance are likely to be wrong, let alone 500.

Engrave a QR code into stone

You'd have to also include plain English instructions on how to read the QR code, since the QR code format probably won't be around in the future either.

As for reading the instructions: they could probably still interpret modern English, similar to how professionals today can still interpret English from 500 years ago (with some effort).

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something 500 years old is by definition worth keeping, alone for historians.

I'm emptying out a storage bin with 25+ year old stuff that begs to differ. Storing things has a cost, actually storing things so they last, far more so. Even historians curate and don't keep everything.

But they won’t need to delete anything. Imagine the storage and data science in 500 years. Probably the whole internet of 2021 will fit into a 2521 usb stick

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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post #3

Write a book and distribute it in high enough numbers. Things that seem too big to ever fall today might not exists in even 10 years, let alone 500, that's valid for every tech companies and even tech paradigms, you'd need people to actively migrate your site every XX years

Paper doesn't have a great record over a 500 year timescale. The collection of the Metropolitan Museum has an API https://metmuseum.github.io/ and I went fishing a few months ago for images to print onto 8″x8″ squares and it's clear that older objects pick up damage over time. There are all kinds of beautiful objects from ancient Egypt but they are not made of paper. A print from the 15ᵗʰ century looks like https://w…

> Many of my favorite images come from paintings that are about 100 years old, such as the Futurists.

Sounds interesting! Mind sharing links to some of your favourites?

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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That's a really tricky thought exercise. Legal trusts in most countries have time limits. Businesses come and go all the time. I think you are describing the same dilemma that companies offering freezing/preservation of your body or head upon death/near-death are dealing with. That is probably the business model I would study to find out what countries have the legal structure to support their requirements and thus y…

I was gonna suggest, instead of relying on your descendants/lawyers, “simply” avoid physical aging and death yourself, then you can continue to maintain the website.

Good starter resource: https://www.amazon.com/Abolition-Aging-forthcoming-extension...

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

#66

20x overspec'd solar panel. No battery. Broadcast a wifi hotspot at minimum radio power. Keep the components cold just above freezing and never allow them to freeze. You can accomplish this by using geothermal engineering to your benefit and burying the device with an appropriate heat exchanger so the planet can regulate the server temperature. Add in high availability and failover by using multiple buried devices co…

One system based on semiconductors will eventually fail, as their failure rate follows the bathtub curve

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve

As much as I call cryptocurrencies a cancer, I admit storing on Bitcoin blockchain is probably the most resilient way, as its constantly being replicated across a huge amount of machines around the planet...

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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post #20

500 years is too long for modern tech. You will definitely need many copies of different types of storage, down to atomic-level records such as DNA. GitHub's Arctic Code or Amazon vault looks like the first Godzilla computers, but you're asking for a "500-years PC". Perhaps there will be a technology that allows you to write site files in the DNA directly of your children and run a micro-DNA web server in the body, a…

This DNA writing idea is premised on the concept that most of our DNA is "junk", which is an increasingly unlikely idea. Most of it does not code for proteins, that's true. We are slowly uncovering more and more functions for the rest.

Who said anything about modifying our existing genome? Perhaps in the future we’ll be able to add extra biologically inert genetic material solely for the purpose of permanently storing information, passed from generation to generation.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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20x overspec'd solar panel. No battery. Broadcast a wifi hotspot at minimum radio power. Keep the components cold just above freezing and never allow them to freeze. You can accomplish this by using geothermal engineering to your benefit and burying the device with an appropriate heat exchanger so the planet can regulate the server temperature. Add in high availability and failover by using multiple buried devices co…

Aren't solar panel lifetimes in the decade range?

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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post #38

If page is static - engrave it in a titanium plate, possibly as a QR code of sorts and pass it through generations. Include instructions for reader to publish it to whatever media analog of today's web page. So basically stay away from technology, get information encoded into lowest and most resilient physical material and rely on future generation to publish and/or update it's content.

The Github arctic code vault appears to have created TAR archives and turned them into a sequence of QR codes on a kind of film. And then thrown them in a hole under 250 meters of permafrost in Svalbard.

I honestly thought you were being silly. Wow!

https://archiveprogram.github.com/arctic-vault/

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