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Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#61
I assume for most people what you said is how it works.

I change it up by assuming everyone is a dumbass but just informed on their one subject matter. Rare to meet people who are good at multiple things or, more importantly, good at learning multiple things. Usually I take smarts as being your ability to learn - not your amount of deep knowledge on one subject.

Fortunately, it’s easier than ever to be smart. We have an amazing assortment of great teachers online that do it all for free in a variety of formats that are accessible. Sadly, feels like relatively few people access the information.

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

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The smartest people I know are generally smart no matter what field you put them in. But everyone has blind spots/biases. I do know a couple of very successful people who aren't that smart but are good at selling themselves/their ideas. Some people look down on this, but it is a good skill to have. HN has a problem where the people who comment are often not that knowledgable but can sound like they know what they're…

You are right about HN folks. I asked this question prompted by a topic discussed here during the past week, in which many people were commenting and sounding like experts. But because I knew deeply about it (having written my Master’s thesis on it), I noticed how mistaken they were — despite making their opinions sound like facts. It makes me wonder: should this make us disregard many more discussions? Because what…

The desired way would be that you correct them as domain expert and give us all a change to learn.

Did you?

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right about HN folks. I asked this question prompted by a topic discussed here during the past week, in which many people were commenting and sounding like experts. But because I knew deeply about it (having written my Master’s thesis on it), I noticed how mistaken they were — despite making their opinions sound like facts. It makes me wonder: should this make us disregard many more discussions? Because what…

The desired way would be that you correct them as domain expert and give us all a change to learn. Did you?

The desired yeah, but unfortunately from my experience people don't like being corrected online, for -- as far as they know -- I may as well know nothing about what I am talking about. Plus, devoting the time to type out so many replies is not in most people's priority list.

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#64
Yes it's quite common. In general there's a term called intelligent idiot. I learn that from Nassim Taleb. My understanding is there are a lot of people look smarter than they are. I noticed a lot of the phenomenon since then.

My theory is there are some fundamental cognition defects in our sapiens' brain which was evolved from "small data" environment (compare to today's bid data environment) so the biochemical reactions inside our brain on the conclusions from Bayesian model are not much different from the reactions to the conclusions from witness. That results in many people don't differentiate beliefs(very strong but have never seen the truth) from "solid facts" which is equivalent to the topics that you know very well.

The most common places to observe intelligent idiot are the areas related to ideologies. For example there are tons of politicians showing very strong intelligent signals: articulate and organize their thoughts very well, with solid logical reasoning, while actually talking bullshit which only can be noticed by the people knowing the ground truth.

In technology areas there are less but still some. People are easily confused with strong intelligence signals with the real intelligence.

It's not black and white. Some time real smart people also make the same mistake. Give a couple of examples: Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein , I consider both very smart, rational, evidence based,scientific thinking guys according to the depth of their thinking. However I noticed they have some serious mistakes on their judgements about some matters that they don't know the ground truth. I still highly respect their intelligence but not the same as before. They are not intelligent idiots but just made small mistakes. Meanwhile I think I might have the same problems that I don't know since they are smarter than me and still make mistakes.

Here in HN with a high density of smart people, there are tons of chances to observe intelligent idiots. Just check those non-technology related hot topics.

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#66

Not exactly what you are looking for but a related quote by Charles Bukowski: "The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence". Often, on HN and Reddit, the most confident or authoritative sounding statements are also the most wrong. It always baffles me just how confident people can be in themselves when they really have no good basis for th…

Isn't it a paraphrase of Bertrand Russell?

"The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt" — from The Triumph of Stupidity, 1933.

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#67
An expert in one area can be a novice in another area, even if they love demonstrating how little they know.

Case and point: Richard Dawkins is a genius in biology but a novice in philosophy. However, that doesn't stop him writing a best selling book which is disregarded as comical by atheist philosophers.

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#69
Commenters have mentioned both Dunning-Kruger and Gell-Mann Amnesia.

Gell-Mann Amnesia is rather strictly defined by its creator in the journalism domain, but perhaps it could be stretched to include the commentary here at Hacker News.

Still, I think that tagging your answer as "amnesia" does not work - unless you, yourself, manage to forget to be skeptical... on topics where you are not expert and commenters are still show-casing Dunning-Kruger.

And it's hilarious how many of them there are here!

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