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Re: Ask HN: How many of you are employed, self-taught SWEs?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I have a lot of parallels to this. Been on a scrip for that stuff for as long as I can remember, and I had a similar experience at school. Hearing your story really gives me hope for myself; so, thanks! If you don't mind me asking, what kind of work are you doing now? Any tips for your past self?

I work as a software engineer mostly backend/middle tier APIs and stuff for a Fortune 500 company now. I’d remind myself that things like alcohol that act strongly on dopamine can cause SERIOUS problems with adderall, like not feeling any happiness for a week and fun things like that. Adderall is a serious tool to be taken seriously. I joke that Adderall is like a chainsaw. If you’re using it at 3am, there’s a proble…

Magnesium; I assume you mean magnesium amino chelate - I use that too. I was kind of pissed that I had to find out about it on the internet and my doctor looked at me funny when I mentioned it. A huge gamechanger for me was asking a friend who's also on the 'phetamines what time of day they stop taking it - now I'm religious about never ingesting stimulants after 3pm and holy crap what a difference.

I was a bartender for over a decade; there's no better crash course on how awful a molecule alcohol is. It's the worst drug.

Sorry to hear about your friends. It sucks to lose your roots, I went through something similar myself. I've come to reckon with the fact that people sometimes grow apart, and you can't always hold yourself responsible for what might just be an incompatibility in process.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are employed, self-taught SWEs?

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- The Matrix impressed me when I was child. I said to myself “I’m going to build a good world, a good system, my own heaven.” after some time, I found myself reading articles about programming and my adventure has started right there. It was a huge exploration for me. I started to focus on learning a programing language. It was C. - Taking care the system, developing new features. Yes, It is. - I built a course syste…

- Make real your every absract notion by coding and drink coffee madly.

so much this.

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- Why did you get into the field? What did you focus on at first? I never planned on being a coder, I was a derivatives trader at first. It turns out being able to code helps a lot in finance. I co-developed my skills between building quant strategies with coding. And coding quickly swallowed up everything, it turns out it would have been easier to be a systems coder first, then develop quantitative skills. I've done…

What are you working on recently?

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- I hated doing unskilled work so I taught myself to front end web development. - it's fine. The realities of the job can often be boring, but it's not taxing. I work at a big startup and it's not the way I would run things but what do I know? - You have to realize what you're up against. Junior dev can mean "knows the language really well but has never worked on a professional team" but it can also mean "doesn't kno…

I spent my decade bartending. Have the same motivations as yourself (fie on that completely flat wage growth in the service industry) You're not the first person I've heard recommending talks and events. Just another reason to be frustrated with this pandemic.

All the local events have switched to being online so you can still give talks. They are also a great way to learn new things. For example, I learned ES6 by.givong a tall about es6.

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post #64

- Why did you get into the field? What did you focus on at first? I never planned on being a coder, I was a derivatives trader at first. It turns out being able to code helps a lot in finance. I co-developed my skills between building quant strategies with coding. And coding quickly swallowed up everything, it turns out it would have been easier to be a systems coder first, then develop quantitative skills. I've done…

What are you working on recently?

A variety of trading systems, an online multiplayer game.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are employed, self-taught SWEs?

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100% self taught here with no formal education...

When I was about 13 we got the "Internet" (AOL). I quickly discovered these "Haxor Tools" for AOL. These apps would do stupid things in AOL like "IM Bombs", send ASCII art to chatrooms, etc. I wanted some specific features so I started looking into programming. My dad happened to have Visual Basic 2.0 (on something like 20 3.5inch floppies) so I loaded that up and started reading!

It was a slow start to understand how programming worked but once I reached a certain understanding and things started to click I was off and running. I built a few AOL "haxor tools" and then progressed into web sites and then got really into Linux and FreeBSD (and C/C++).

I was home-schooled from grade 6 through 12. With most of those years technically being "unschooled". I'm an INTP and was left to learn by myself. I believe having this personality type greatly helped me learn a lot and VERY quickly.

Fast forward a few years, I got a job at 18 as a tech support specialist for a local ISP.I built a few internal tools for the company but my job was tech support not programmer...

A year or so later I started studying to get my GED. Got the GED in a couple months and that was the end of my education. No middle school, high school, or college.

I then got a job at a medium sized software company doing tech support. I did that for 2 years then they promoted me into a junior developer role. I had created a handful of internal tools for the support department which is how I was noticed by the development team and therefore recruited.

From here on I've been in senior developer roles at a handful of companies (startups to Fortune 50 companies).

I currently work for an all remote consulting company, live in a low cost of living part of the country (USA), and make a low FAANG salary (maybe 5x the local wages).

I design, build, maintain, and support a lot of various sites, tools, and services. Is it everything I've dreamed of? Pretty much but watch out for burnout.

I believe my success can be attributed to being very good at self education and doing it quickly (see INTP definition). That coupled with "do the job you wish to have" and being noticed for it. I was in tech support but I also built tools for the company. This was noticed and rewarded.

I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are employed, self-taught SWEs?

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I am projected to break 6 figures in revenue by December as an independent consultant.

I was interested in web design as a kid. Built my first website when I was 11. Back then, there was no facebook or myspace — those wouldn’t be created until 2 years before I learned the basics of HTML and CSS. There really wasn’t a well-fleshed our career path in the web either — e-commerce hadn’t really blown up back then either. So I was just genuinely interested in the ability to publish for the web.

I learned by going to the library and borrowing books that teach you by you following along. But still, it was mostly just HTML and CSS, no JS or any real programming yet.

It wouldn’t be until college that I’d pick up programming. Not that I majored in CS or SWE or anything — I majored in Biological Science and Studio Art, wanting you become a medical illustrator.

Nobody that I was around ever told me that “hey, you should check out CS”. It was always presented as this complicated and difficult subject. Something that was for others, but not for me. Much harder than Biology =p (they were wrong, lol, Biology is harder IMO, but I am genuinely interested in the topic and continue to learn more about it too)

During college I got involved in organizations outside of the classroom, and this was right around the time when facebook was a few years old and social media was emerging as a tool that can be used to market a cause and actually raise funds. The first viral video campaign came out this year, for the Ora Brush. So I ended up making a website for one of our events, linking it with google payments etc, promoting it on facebook via a video shared among local groups, and it registered people, kind of like what eventbrite does now. We were able to raise a couple thousand dollars the first year, and ~$20K total by junior year. So that experience exposed me to some of the cool things I could do with my web skills and I focused more intensively on learning to program more.

That landed me my first software engineering internship my Junior year, where although I had no experience with the backend programming language that they used I was able to pick it up and ship a finished admin client by the end of the internship. I was offered a full-time position as a software engineer at the completion of the internship, although I did not have a CS / SWE degree. However, one thing that I discovered about myself during the internship was that working a desk job all day made me very depressed. Aside from QA sessions and design briefings with management I hardly interacted with people during my internship, due to the nature of the engineering job. And it felt like taking the job would be me sitting behind a desk in front of a computer all day for the rest of my life, not really interacting with many people... and for some reason that was very depressing and unsettling to me, personally. So instead of seeking employment I decided to go the freelance / consultant route, and try to build my own clientele.

It took ~4 years to actually get any real consulting traction though. Partly due to some false starts in startup land... So I’m not sure if I would recommend it. I think for many people, the happy ending would have been getting a full time offer before graduating college. And the advice there for someone in their early 20’s would just be to network, get involved in things, build a portfolio, and seek out internships. An internship is basically an extended interview with a potential full time job offer on the other end... But unfortunately my particulars made that somehow undesirable, and so I decided to go the hard way.

Today I consult with business owners and partner with design agencies, helping businesses in e-commerce bring their business requirements to life. Sometimes it’s just giving general advice on how to build stuff, what they should be considering during the design process, and the rest of the time it’s programming. It’s all remote. Although many people have given remote work a thumbs down during the pandemic, I’m happy with the flexibility.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are employed, self-taught SWEs?

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work as a software engineer mostly backend/middle tier APIs and stuff for a Fortune 500 company now. I’d remind myself that things like alcohol that act strongly on dopamine can cause SERIOUS problems with adderall, like not feeling any happiness for a week and fun things like that. Adderall is a serious tool to be taken seriously. I joke that Adderall is like a chainsaw. If you’re using it at 3am, there’s a proble…

Magnesium; I assume you mean magnesium amino chelate - I use that too. I was kind of pissed that I had to find out about it on the internet and my doctor looked at me funny when I mentioned it. A huge gamechanger for me was asking a friend who's also on the 'phetamines what time of day they stop taking it - now I'm religious about never ingesting stimulants after 3pm and holy crap what a difference. I was a bartender…

Wow you and I do sound like we've had a lot of the same experiences, glad to here you're figuring out all this too. 3pm is exactly my rule too, never ever past then. Most days not past noon because my wife will ask me "have you been taking Adderall?" because my personality is so different. I go from being fun and easygoing to absolute Type-A, everything including people is either an obstacle or a tool toward a goal. I had people who saw me thriving with Adderall and started taking it – it sort of destroyed them. I'm much more cautious about recommending it. I'm having a productive day today and haven't taken any – sticking to a low carb diet for me at least seems to be the absolute most important thing for my mental health. I was so unstable and angry before.

Having a spouse around to correct my course when I start getting a little too enthusiastic about amphetamines and work was important for me too.

I use Magnesium Glycinate at the recommendation of people on the nootropics subreddit. [0] Has worked wonders.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZD7R4RF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...

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