Ask HN: I'd like to learn vocals, any suggestion on how I can do this?

I feel this is very very wrong and damaging, I'd like to make sure anyone reading this comment has a balancing comment to read against it, mainly about the pitch thing. The kind of thing I wish I'd been able to read 10 years ago.

First, you're probably not tone deaf. If you can differentiate between one note and a note a semitone away, you've got enough pitch to sing. If you can watch two youtube videos, think one sounds good and one sounds bad, you've got enough pitch to sing.

I spent a long time worrying about this because I struggled with pitch a lot, and then even though I could eventually (with a lot of adjustment) get my voice to make a sound at the same pitch as a piano key, it didn't sound "right" or "good". Even though the tuner told me i was right on it. Also the pitch always seemed different inside my head to listening back to it.

In the end it turns out it's all about frequencies. Your voice is making a whole bunch of them when you vocalise, it's not just a simple sine wave, and these resonate at different places, and sound different inside your head (to you) and outside (to everyone else). When I had the pitch issues, I actually mainly had placement issues. Good placement feels like cutting off the lower half of my voice, but is pretty much just you making the right frequencies and more importantly avoiding making the wrong ones. To a natural singer this probably sounds like crazy talk, but to someone who always sounded bad, this is life-changing.

So yeah, ignore the parent comment, find a good teacher who started from nothing and can teach you placement (I still recommend https://bohemianvocalstudio.com/), and practise like crazy. You'll never look back.

sing with the voice god gave you. listen to indie music. your voice doesn’t have to be perfect to be good. practice all the time.

If you want to learn to sing well, you're in for a lot of work. It means practice, having a teacher, unlearning potentially years of bad habits, and being disciplined. I like to write and record songs with a friend as a fun hobby, and since he hates the sound of his own voice, I got stuck with singing duties. I've learned to accept the rather frustrating limitations of my voice and technique, and instead focused on using my engineering skills to improve how my vocal tracks sound on recordings. I was able to learn this stuff on my own.

* Tuning

Good tuning software is a vocalists best friend, even if you don't struggle with pitch issues. Don't like the timbre of your voice? Good tuning software has the ability to manipulate the "formant" of a voice, which if used in conjunction with some pitch shifting can make a woman's voice sound like a man's, or vice versa. Tuning software is also invaluable for visualizing the notes that you're singing. I use tuning software to help me compose and finalize my vocal melodies. I start with my scratch vocal take and push notes around until I have a consistent result I'm happy with, melodically speaking. These tuned scratch takes become "guide tracks" that I can have in my headphones while recording new takes. You can also turn them into MIDI tracks to aid in composing other parts.

* Comping

Comping is where you create a good composite track out of a bunch of mediocre ones. I do like 8 takes of each part, and then I pitch correct all of them so they conform to my official melody, referencing my guide track as needed. I also clean up the timing of sung notes at this stage (another great use of tuning software) to make sure that I'm not too far off the beat. Small slop is OK.

I have 8 tracks now of tuned vocals that are mostly bound to the grid, which makes it easier to select the best bits from each track to create a composite. I try to focus on the notes/lines that convey the most emotion and feeling, I comp those 8 tracks down to 3 or 4 decent ones. The best one I save for my lead vocal, the rest I use for doubles and harmony parts.

* Double up

Choruses need big vocals right? You can use your extra tuned and tightened tracks to double (or triple, quadruple) up your vocals and pan them left/right to make them sound bigger and better. Because they're unique tracks and not copies this will sound wide, and because you left in some minor timing slop, it will sound tight, but not robotic. You can also use doubles in non-chorus parts to emphasize certain words or phrases.

* Harmony

Harmony tracks can really sweeten and thicken a vocal. It'll definitely help to learn some music theory to understand the right notes for your harmony parts, but you can also just do it by ear. I take a one of my comps, and push the notes around with tuning software so it becomes a harmony against the lead vocal. Sometimes these extreme tuned artificial harmonies can sound robotic, but if you blend them in subtly and/or play with the formants they can work well. If not, you can use them as a guide track to re-record organic parts, but that's more work. Use harmony parts the same way you might use doubles.

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the challenge will be entirely in trying them to see who you like, not finding them.

This is likely the most important question.

I've been singing semi-professionally for the last two decades asas part of a wide variety of musical endeavors.

What you need to do to sing in a choir is very different than what you need to do to front a blues band. Singing in a broadway-style musical is very different than singing, say, bluegrass harmonies.

There is a lot of overlap, but how you approach learning stuff varies quite a bit.