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Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Not only are Onyx expensive; they're basically unusable. A rooted Kobo H2O with koreader in landscape mode is vastly better. Sony is apparently still selling the DPT-RP1, and it still doesn't connect to Linux or read DjVu. I guess at least it has an OSX client.

Onyx boox note pro is expensive but fwiw I really like it.

Are you using it as an external display? Is it seamless as in traditional color monitor albeit the refresh rate?

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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I've long wondered why electrophoretic displays (the generic term for E Ink, which is a proprietary name) continue to be exponentially more expensive at sizes larger than a Kindle while other technologies like OLED have become vastly more affordable in larger formats over a similar timeframe.

The best I can tell is that there just hasn't been an investment in scaling up fabrication anywhere near what the likes of LG (mostly LG, actually) has done with >40" OLED panels. Presumably the demand isn't there yet, and so larger-format electrophoretics remain the product of low-volume, high-cost manufacturing processes.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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I've long wondered why electrophoretic displays (the generic term for E Ink, which is a proprietary name) continue to be exponentially more expensive at sizes larger than a Kindle while other technologies like OLED have become vastly more affordable in larger formats over a similar timeframe. The best I can tell is that there just hasn't been an investment in scaling up fabrication anywhere near what the likes of LG…

But e-ink technology isn’t ready to go out of the gate - the refresh rate is still a significant issue that makes it virtually purposeless for much beyond reading. If it is at this point, it just didn’t happen quickly enough.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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32" e-ink panels exist but are still too expensive to be practical for home use: https://shopkits.eink.com/product/31-2˝-monochrome-epaper-di... The only commercial product I know of that uses it is from Visionect but it's a meant for digital signage rather than as a computer display: https://www.visionect.com/product/place-and-play-32/ . It's less expensive than their earlier system but still around $2500.

I thought that might be an awesome splurge someday, then I saw the refresh rate of 750ms. Nearly an entire second to see a screen repaint every time I move a cursor.

For a smaller size, apparently the displays made by Dasung are pretty nice.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Onyx boox note pro is expensive but fwiw I really like it.

Are you using it as an external display? Is it seamless as in traditional color monitor albeit the refresh rate?

Technology Connections (amazing Youtube channel btw!) has a few videos on using an Onyx Boox Max as a 2nd monitor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytpRnRke6I0 (Intro)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NfX0vlCa4k (2nd channel longer look, mini review)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D38dcArwCNc (6 months later, tips / tweaks / long term review)

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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I'm using the Dasung Paperlike HD and I really like it for writing code. 13 inches, but it's real nice. I imagine in 5-10 years or so, we'll see what you're imagining.

Could you write a review on it? I've been contemplating getting one for the same purposes but I'd really like to hear some pros and cons before committing

Pros: it's super light, works outside, runs off of USB power, feels good on the eyes, has a high resolution and a very decent refresh rate. Convenient contrast buttons on the front and a quick clear button. It's VEGA mountable. But I got a lead weight so it's heavy enough for my adjustable monitor stand.

Quirks: Expect ghosting. You'll have to press the "clear" button if the only thing moving on the screen is the mouse. This is oddly satisfying and not nearly as annoying as it sounds. Like "time for a fresh slate!" Getting the right contrast is also something you'll have to get used to. Dark themes are basically unusable because of ghosting. The monitor's very high DPI isn't handled well by gnome, so stuff is smaller on the eink display than on my main monitor. It's got different needs than an LCD in terms of software configuration of themes, color management, etc. I don't think any OS was made with this thing in mind, so there are quirks. I wish there were some better "per-display" settings in gnome. But oh well.

In spite of the quirks, I don't regret getting this thing at all. It was expensive but now I'll be able to work outside. It's way easier on my eyes.

Right now I pretty much just use it for reading and writing code or doing stuff in the shell. And it's great for that. Vim is like the perfect text editor for this. I also got vs code setup alright for it too now, but it's really great with vim, and has been motivating me to use vim more.

Btw, I also got the Dasung "not e-reader" tablet which is also awesome.

These devices are quirky but really well made and designed.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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I've long wondered why electrophoretic displays (the generic term for E Ink, which is a proprietary name) continue to be exponentially more expensive at sizes larger than a Kindle while other technologies like OLED have become vastly more affordable in larger formats over a similar timeframe. The best I can tell is that there just hasn't been an investment in scaling up fabrication anywhere near what the likes of LG…

But e-ink technology isn’t ready to go out of the gate - the refresh rate is still a significant issue that makes it virtually purposeless for much beyond reading. If it is at this point, it just didn’t happen quickly enough.

I'd like a very large e-ink display for artwork, signage, and metrics. It doesn't have to refresh more than once every several seconds.
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