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Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your financials?

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I live well enough within my means that I don't have to bother with any kind of accounting. On a typical tech salary living in a relatively cheap COL area, I bought a house about half of the price I could afford. I exclusively purchase used vehicles (partly because I am am enthusiast and enjoy working on them, but even a 10 year old low mileage modern vehicle is pretty reliable and cheap to maintain), and I don't sho…

Investing in an index fund consistently gives returns of about 5-10% a year. This turns out to be a LOT of money in the long run (1.1 ^ 30 = 20x).

Trying to time the market is a bad idea. Picking individual stocks is a bad idea.

This is assuming your main goal is returns on your investment. Picking individual stocks or even 30 stocks is basically gambling.

Really recommend reading "A Random Walk Down Wall Street": https://www.amazon.com/Random-Walk-Down-Wall-Street/dp/03933...

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your financials?

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I use Quicken, but not happy with it since they moved to annual subscription model. But with more than 20 years of data in it, I'm locked in. Looking to migrate to beancount, but the data migration is hard. I'm contemplating starting anew with beancount and forgoing my historical data. I could easily do without the data, but something psychological is at play, and I can't get over it yet.

Yeah I bailed on Quicken about 5 years ago and never looked back. Using GnuCash now, and it’s awesome because I can store the data in a local Postgres database and do whatever I want with it.

I love GnuCash!

The learning curve is a bit steep if like me you have to learn both the software and the concepts of double entry accounting. It took me a few iterations to get it right but now that it's rolling I couldn't be happier.

Since my girlfriend and I share some of our common expenses I developed a web app à la Splitwise/Tricount that can export transactions to GnuCash. It works very well but I never polished the thing, I wonder if it could be useful to other GnuCash users.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your financials?

#63
IMHO the optimum financial plan depends upon your age and life situation. All require your family to work together and each member to grow in self-discipline. Here are tactics that worked well for my my family.

1. Learn to live below your means. This lets you build savings. The best tool here is a budget. Our family typically cooked at home, brought lunches to school or work, and bought staples on sale. Our kids had to choose activities that fit the budget. If it wasn't in the budget, we thought long and hard about buying it. If you need help, Dave Ramsey's books are good place to start.

2. Your next priority should be pay off high interest debt as fast as you can. If you have long term student loans, pay them down as best you can and start to accumulate (by saving) a six month emergency fund in an FDIC insured bank. The large percentage of families in the US where a $500 unexpected bill is a major problem is way too high. The emergency fund gives you breathing room.

3. Once you have an emergency fund, you should make sure to start saving for retirement and college for skill upgrades or for children. Someone once wrote that compound interest was the 8th "Wonder of the World". It is wonderful if we are talking about savings but is quite a taskmaster if we are talking about debt.

4. Become a self-directed learner. Invest time and focus in keeping your skills updated. Training budgets and travel to conferences were early casualties when my employer had major budget woes - that landed the company in bankruptcy. I paid my own way for critical training I could not get on-line. Some coworkers criticized me for this. I did what needed to be done. Those who didn't stagnated...

I wish you well. This will not be fun at the beginning and there will be times in your life you have to put up with things you don't like but can't afford to fix now. We had 2 kids in college, and our kitchen cabinets starting to fall apart. My wife hated them. That was the first thing we fixed after the kids graduated (same day, 1000 miles apart - we each attended one...)

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your financials?

#64
Disclaimer, I work in corp finance:

My wife and I have what I believe is a novel approach. Our requirements were low mental overhead, but effective.

99% of what you read says to make a budget and follow it. Well, that sucks and is zero fun. It also doesn't apply to people who's income is significantly higher than their expenses, or people who are paying off lots of student debt or saving for a house etc since it just measures monthly dollars (income statement) and doesn't focus enough on where you are and where you are going.

We use a balance sheet approach. Every quarter 12/31, 3/31, 6/30, 9/30 we go through all our accounts, and calculate total assets (401k, cash, kid's 529 etc) and total liabilities (we have a car loan for example). After a few quarters you can see how things are moving and you can talk about decisions in terms of how it will impact future balance sheets.

One discussion we will have again this quarter is whether to pay the car loan off or put the equivalent cash in the market, or CDs to some other choice. TBH, we may not even do anything for a few quarters because we don't have to, but the balance sheet approach means we will talk it through in March which forces us to make an active decision, and not just leave the cash in a zero interest account while simultaneously paying interest on a car loan.

We also take that quarterly time to review things like life insurance, trust for our kids etc.

Side note, anyone have a good article on how to buy long-term disability insurance for office workers?

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your financials?

#65

I live well enough within my means that I don't have to bother with any kind of accounting. On a typical tech salary living in a relatively cheap COL area, I bought a house about half of the price I could afford. I exclusively purchase used vehicles (partly because I am am enthusiast and enjoy working on them, but even a 10 year old low mileage modern vehicle is pretty reliable and cheap to maintain), and I don't sho…

Investing in an index fund consistently gives returns of about 5-10% a year. This turns out to be a LOT of money in the long run (1.1 ^ 30 = 20x). Trying to time the market is a bad idea. Picking individual stocks is a bad idea. This is assuming your main goal is returns on your investment. Picking individual stocks or even 30 stocks is basically gambling. Really recommend reading "A Random Walk Down Wall Street": ht…

I'm so tired of these types of comments on HN that say investing in individual stocks is like gambling. It's such a tired piece of advice. Don't invest more than say, 5%, in an individual company, but choosing a selection of high quality companies that you believe in is not in any way like going to the roulette table.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your financials?

#66

Lots of reading (books, blogs, etc.) has been helpful for me the past few years and it seems like I pickup new things all the time. A few things I use/reference: - YNAB (You Need A Budget) - budgeting/tracking app, plus lots of great content on how to use the software and generally manage your budget/expenses - /r/personalfinance subreddit - checkout their wiki [1] and flowchart [2] in particular for a really helpful…

The /r/personalfinance flowchart is actually the best summary I've seen on the priority on spending. Some comments I'd add:

* If you run out of money before getting to the employer retirement match, you are living beyond your means and you need to rectify that ASAP.

* Avoid credit card debt especially; the interest rates are not in your favor.

* If you're making tech sector salary, it's probably best to maximize Roth IRA early and hard--you're likely to hit the salary cap on Roth IRA before too long in your career ($120K is when the contribution is reduced; $137K is when it disappears entirely--although note that 401(k) contributions are excluded).

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your financials?

#68
We used to use "Managing your Money" and now we use Quicken for the most part. (that becomes more and more egregious given their changes).

We also live within our means which means managing future costs to the extent that we can/could. We paid off student loans, cars, and credit card debt. Then saved for a down payment and bought a house. We track 100% of the money coming in and the money going out and categorize it in as many ways as possible. This sounded pretty anal retentive to some friends of mine but they had to admit I knew exactly how much money I spent on food, mortgage, utilities, entertainment, etc each month. And that knowledge was usually enough to keep things from getting out of hand.

We targeted saving 10% of our income every year. Early on that was a more aspirational target, but by keeping our burn rate as constant as possible, with raises the target became achievable. We typically reserved 50% of any "bonus" or unexpected money for spending foolishly (well on things that aren't normally budgeted) and saved the other half. Once our savings reached a point where we had enough for emergencies we bifurcated into savings for us and savings for the kids college.

Then we started getting stock options or employee purchasable stock from our companies and used that to start a brokerage account (today I'd probably just put it in e-trade or something and go long on the S&P 500.) We were fortunate (really, its all about luck) to have chosen some good companies where the stock had some value. We diversified stock to fund the college fund.

We were always "behind" our peers in terms of new cars, or fancy vacations because we chose not to go into debt on such things once we could save up for them.

Looking back at it though it didn't really matter what program we used, what mattered were three things:

1) Keeping the discipline to track every dollar. This avoids "burn creep" where you start spending more and more and don't know it.

2) Always minimizing variability in costs (going from renting which was variable to a mortgage which was fixed, going from credit cards as cash flow (having a burn rate that is not always met by your cash flow means the occasional finance charge) to credit cards as payment device (once you have a reservoir of cash for overages you can always pay 100% of the balance every month)

3) Re-evaluating and adjusting costs every couple of years (new phone plan, swap out cable for satellite, sattelite for over the air, swap out ISP providers, magazine subscriptions, Insurance, etc. Any recurring cost from vendors in a competitive market has opportunities on about a 24 month schedule)

The only other thing is that we started pretty explicitly associating lifetime costs with bits of gear. (accounts call it depreciation) Basically saving $25 a month for "phone instrument" means that in 24 months you have a $600 to buy a new phone) Once you are keeping track of costs long enough and go through a replacement cycle or two you can get a pretty good feel for what things should cost)

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your financials?

#69
I track account balances once a month into a spreadsheet to keep a high-level overview. It's a manual process that takes ~15 minutes and has a large payoff to have a birds-eye view of all the finances and allocations.

Investments are all automatic: max 401k, max hsa, auto deposit to vanguard into a few indexes. If cash balance gets too high, I'll do a manual deposit.

My wife and I aren't big spenders so I have never found much value in micro-managing individual purchases or categorization (YNAB or mint). I do skim the transactions a couple times a month to make sure there aren't any surprises.

wrt paying off loans vs investing: lots of approaches here, the emotionless take is to just allocate based on interest rate. If your loans are low interest, then just pay the minimums and invest the rest. If they're higher interest than you expect your returns from investing to be, then just pay them off aggressively and don't invest at all until they're paid off (the exception here might be tax-advantaged accounts like 401k or IRA if you qualify).

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your financials?

#70
I like to keep things as simple (and profitable) as possible! I have a Roth IRA[1] and a taxable account[2] invested in leveraged risk parity strategies through M1 Finance[3]. I also have checking and savings accounts with Alliant Credit Union[4], both of which earn a pretty good amount of interest.

If you're looking for advice, I recommend reading through the wiki[5] over at /r/personalfinance and deciding what's best for your situation.

[1] https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=288192

[2] https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=302218

[3] https://m1.finance/r3lww4aeQ

[4] https://www.alliantcreditunion.org/

[5] https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/wiki/commontopics?u...

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