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Ask HN: Where do the real hackers hangout?
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Re: Ask HN: Where do the real hackers hangout?
#62Please define "real hackers".
People who don't sellout to the corporate agenda... watching HN'ers downvote me for pointing out the videogame industry has been stealing PC games for the last 20 years was alarming. We went from owning diablo, warcraft and starcraft games to not owning them... that is a major change and to see a place that calls itself the place of "hackers" and nerds, who theoretically should all be about fighting to preserve cultu…
I see what you're saying. But I'm curious what the future you described will actually look like. I am NOT curious in the least about the good old days. I know it, it's boring to me. Having privacy and total control over your computing is fine, whatever, I've seen it a thousand times already. It's good. But in today's world what is the benefit of that? The market doesn't respond to that, does not reward it. Human psychology likes the alternative of thin client and total survelience much better because it's more convenient and because it already has more momentum.
So I'm curious what will happen when you can't do almost anything on your computer without it being inside proprietary cloud. When everything I do is recorded, aggregated, and analyzed by mismanaged big data experts. When real life decisions are made that affect me based on this data by some faceless entity without consulting me. Kind of like what China does with their social credit score but much more elaborate. When there are people who are within this system and those who are outside because they are rich and powerful.
It really fascinates me. It can't get so bad as to be intolerable in my lifetime. And what if I become rich and get real power? The ability to make important decisions that change the global landscape. Will I be good or evil? Nowadays rather than complain about the top 0.0001% it's better to put the energy into becoming the top 0.0001%.
And by the way, you never owned Warcraft or Diablo. I suspect that to satisfy you all one needs to do is to realse a few really good and engaging games. You shall have your games and you will play them in the evenings. But during the day you WILL write survelience code for collecting plausable reasons to crush somebody inconvenient to the illuminati.
Re: Ask HN: Where do the real hackers hangout?
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
People who don't sellout to the corporate agenda... watching HN'ers downvote me for pointing out the videogame industry has been stealing PC games for the last 20 years was alarming. We went from owning diablo, warcraft and starcraft games to not owning them... that is a major change and to see a place that calls itself the place of "hackers" and nerds, who theoretically should all be about fighting to preserve cultu…
I see what you're saying. But I'm curious what the future you described will actually look like. I am NOT curious in the least about the good old days. I know it, it's boring to me. Having privacy and total control over your computing is fine, whatever, I've seen it a thousand times already. It's good. But in today's world what is the benefit of that? The market doesn't respond to that, does not reward it. Human psyc…
Man your whole post reeks of idiocy. When they control the software they are going to jack up prices and engage in extortion, that's why they want to move software into the cloud and prevent you from having "honest files". You'll need now to pay protection money to decrypt/access them.
They want to force you and move you onto their next product/upgrade/service and the more control you give them, the more money you're going to pay. The idea you're going to pay less when you said yourself - the stupid and ignorant masses are ok with being exploited... means prices are going to go up not down because the average consumer isn't sophisticated that means prepare to get bent over and get fucked.
You don't seem to understand the basics of big business - they want monopoly profits, and there's no better way of making mad profits then fraud and extortion off the stupid technology illiterate masses.
>And by the way, you never owned Warcraft or Diablo.
Yes that's because lobbyists bribed one sided intellectual property laws into being so that your basic rights as a member of the public to own softwere and the source code was never part of the agenda, you're the exact type of idiot who is uninformed and politically illiterate.
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Since 1990, The Walt Disney Company had lobbied for copyright extension.[12][13] The legislation delayed the entry into the public domain of the earliest Mickey Mouse movies, leading detractors to the nickname "The Mickey Mouse Protection Act".[4]
In addition to Disney, California congresswoman Mary Bono (Sonny Bono's widow and Congressional successor), and the estate of composer George Gershwin supported the act. Mary Bono, speaking on the floor of the United States House of Representatives, said:
Actually, Sonny wanted the term of copyright protection to last forever. I am informed by staff that such a change would violate the Constitution. ... As you know, there is also [then-MPAA president] Jack Valenti's proposal for term to last forever less one day. Perhaps the Committee may look at that next Congress
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Re: Ask HN: Where do the real hackers hangout?
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I see what you're saying. But I'm curious what the future you described will actually look like. I am NOT curious in the least about the good old days. I know it, it's boring to me. Having privacy and total control over your computing is fine, whatever, I've seen it a thousand times already. It's good. But in today's world what is the benefit of that? The market doesn't respond to that, does not reward it. Human psyc…
Man your whole post reeks of idiocy. When they control the software they are going to jack up prices and engage in extortion, that's why they want to move software into the cloud and prevent you from having "honest files". You'll need now to pay protection money to decrypt/access them. They want to force you and move you onto their next product/upgrade/service and the more control you give them, the more money you're…
You misunderstand me. What if I'm the monopoly who wants to jack up prices and extort? I. Me. And a few select people working for me who I reward, plus a bunch of nameless employees who I don't care about. But primarily me. Then there is no problem is there?
Anyways, my apologies. I see I really pinched a nerve here. I will become smarter and understand the basics of big businesses. It's a good thing to do especially if you want to become the monopoly, right?
Re: Ask HN: Where do the real hackers hangout?
#65Freenode is a good place.. the /list command will show you channels once you connect. Popular ones are #hardware, #linux, #windows, #python, #debian, #bash, ##networking, etc. There is a channel for most major technologies.
My biggest gripe with Freenode is that a lot of popular channels are silent. Hundreds of users, but all lurking with very little conversation going on.
For me, the best channel was always #csharp. Every time I logged in, there was always a group of people talking. Any time I had a question, I could ask it and a handful of people would either give you the answer or would talk you through the problem and help you come up with an answer. That kind of guidance is often lacking from modern programming forums/q&a sites.
Re: Ask HN: Where do the real hackers hangout?
#66Freenode is a good place.. the /list command will show you channels once you connect. Popular ones are #hardware, #linux, #windows, #python, #debian, #bash, ##networking, etc. There is a channel for most major technologies.
My biggest gripe with Freenode is that a lot of popular channels are silent. Hundreds of users, but all lurking with very little conversation going on. For me, the best channel was always #csharp. Every time I logged in, there was always a group of people talking. Any time I had a question, I could ask it and a handful of people would either give you the answer or would talk you through the problem and help you come…
>I could ask it and a handful of people would either give you the answer or would talk you through the problem and help you come up with an answer.
The best times for me are when members help me come up with a question. I'd have a problem I could vaguely formulate in long paragraphs, and then someone from the #python channel would write down my problem in one concise question of technical writing that is so spot on that I immediately think of the correct solution.
The #python (and mailing list) crowd has done this to me so many times.
Re: Ask HN: Where do the real hackers hangout?
#67Most likely in private, invite-only chat servers and email lists of various kinds. Anything that's publicly exposed to the internet has too much noise these days. I remember when it was difficult to moderate a chat channel or a web forum back in the 00's. It's much tougher today because of the volume of people you're exposed to. "Only once you can successfully wrestle a herd of monkeys will you truly be ready to mana…
> Most likely in private, invite-only chat servers and email lists of various kinds. Anything that's publicly exposed to the internet has too much noise these days. Honestly, this is the best answer. I would argue private IRC channels and servers because the people who use IRC are less likely to use the data-collecting behemoths that are Slack and Discord.
Didn't the Capitol One hacker brag about it on Slack?
Re: Ask HN: Where do the real hackers hangout?
#68github issues