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Ask HN: What does it feel like to master playing an instrument by ear?

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Re: Ask HN: What does it feel like to master playing an instrument by ear?

#61
I'd say the trick to "playing by ear" is to learn to improvise over things keeping in mind the key you're playing in. I think there's this misconception that "playing by ear" means you hear a song once and then you play it note for note. In theory, this can work if you have a great memory, but really the trick there isn't some musicianship skill, it just means you can remember how the song goes better than other people, then when you sit at your instrument, you kind of have an idea of where it starts and finishes and go from there.

I have a terrible time remembering songs by rote memorization, but as long as I can remember where it starts, goes and ends I can probably pick it back up, just by remembering the chord the song starts on. It's because I've improvised a ton in different keys and I know my pallet of notes to choose from. I'm familiar with what chord colorations are available and I know how melodies tend to move. Do I hit wrong notes? Sometimes, but I guess if I know they're wrong and correct them I'm still playing by ear, but I'm also playing a little bit by theory too, the theory kinda shrinks the constraints of playing by ear.

If I see a chord progression, let's say G-C-D, I don't remember it that way. I remember it as a I-IV-V progression in the key of G. It helps.

Re: Ask HN: What does it feel like to master playing an instrument by ear?

#62
Lots of great comments here already. I realized I didn't really know what 'playing by ear' means! (Jazz pianist here) I've almost never heard musicians saying that. Like people have written, it means many different things. Such as, playing a song with other people when you don't know it. Some jazz musicians I've known are legendary for that, seeming to not need to rehearse like mere mortals, they turn up to the gig and play perfectly.

What does it feel like? Like talking, walking. Something you can do without thinking about it. Well, sometimes I notice my fingers are playing music (on a table, wall, my legs, I can hear it on the 'piano in my head') and I didn't realize! I don't know who that was playing.

Any time I hear music (unless it's super-fast, or using strange tuning etc) I can see every note being played on the piano in my head. The instant I hear a chord, I already know what it is. (I guess perfect pitch helps with that; I don't know how people manage without it) And transcribing helps with learning rhythms, so you just know what a rhythm is (i.e. how you would write it down) when you hear it.

Some very famous musicians e.g. Hendrix, Erroll Garner, Sinatra apparently couldn't read/write music, but I don't think it's been much studied exactly what they knew or how they thought about music. In jazz anyway, most of what you know (about melody, rhythm, harmony etc) is never put into words - you learn it from the music - and it would be useless trying to put it into words. I can teach in an hour most of the 'official' music theory. Everyone should have their own ideas about, say, what scale to play over a minor chord, because what sounds good is different for everyone.

People learn jazz by listening, and by transcribing tunes, solos, arrangements (if they're complex enough that you can't learn by playing along, which is most things.) and playing them yourself. By imitation. So maybe learn to read/write music, then you can write complex things out. Although, hell, I don't know, maybe it's better training your ear and never transcribing. But that would take soo long. Learning stuff that is really fast is pretty much impossible to hear/learn without writing it out.

'Which keys to press' is like 'How do you know what computer keys to type?' - when you learn a language, or anything, your brain puts things together in bigger and bigger chunks, so eventually you can think in units of sentences or paragraphs or whole speeches. Or in music, you think 8 or 16 bars at a time, or a whole phrase, or chord progression etc. Or apparently in chess, masters just have better chunks than the rest of us; they can do much more useful thinking with the same number of thoughts. Exactly like a high-level programming language!

ps Speaking of which, I can't help mentioning that the guy who invented restricted Boltzmann machines (a type of neaural net), Paul Smolensky, called them Harmoniums! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_Boltzmann_machine

Re: Ask HN: What does it feel like to master playing an instrument by ear?

#63
Playing an instrument by ear requires a well-trained ear. You should strive to gain perfect "relative pitch", because "absolute pitch" is not realistic for most people unless you acquire it at very young age.

The free app, Functional Ear Trainer (iOS and Android), has been an immense help for me and people I know. Use it for 10 minutes a day and sing along with the notes. Soon you should be able to recognize and sing certain intervals with 100% confidence, regardless of the key.

The most important intervals for songs in a major key are: Octave, Perfect 5th, Major 3rd, and Perfect 4th

It helps to learn songs that you can associate with each interval (going up and going down). Just google "songs for each interval" and find songs that work for you.

Training your ear is the first step. Then learn how to reliably find each of those intervals on your instrument.

Re: Ask HN: What does it feel like to master playing an instrument by ear?

#65
I haven't achieved mastery, but was able to play songs on the guitar by ear fairly well, though slowly, both songs that I heard and the ones that I composed in my head. I am rusty now.

Its a simple process with two parts to it.

1. identifying the notes in the song.

2. playing the notes on the instrument of your choice, including your own voice.

The second part is all about knowing your instrument inside out - which key, which fret etc map to which note. The hard one is the first part. Loosely, the second is akin to coding and the first akin to developing the algorithm/design. The only way around it is to develop an ear(mind?) for the notes by abstracting songs - listen to a song as a sequence of notes rather than a "song". Its easier said than done.

For this task, learning theory is not useful. Surely, it can help identify the key with only a few notes which lets you fill out the rest of the notes, but, more often than not, real world songs, unless specifically designed to train students, don't follow the key bookishly and will always have an exception here and there, which means identifying the notes by the ear is still the key(ha!).

Re: Ask HN: What does it feel like to master playing an instrument by ear?

#66
This is why they teach you solfeggio lessons in a classical music school. Once you are familiar with common harmonies you can extract song meta information by ear and then apply it to the instrument of your choice (where your playing technique comes in play). Learning music is a lot, A LOT more than learning how to play an instrument.

Re: Ask HN: What does it feel like to master playing an instrument by ear?

#67
There is simply an infinite amount of levels to it. You might start off by just being able to recognize the difference between a minor and a major third. Then you expand that further. And to recognize what note it is relative to the scale.

At some point children's tunes become easy. At another you recognize the specific chords in children's tunes. Then you expand that to be able to identify the notes in more complicated tunes. At one point you might pick up jazz...

The point being that at any point in time during your development you will feel mastery of some level of melodies/chords/harmonies but feel utterly confused (tone deaf) by more complex ones. It's an infinite journey and the key is enjoying it, there is no final destination.

Re: Ask HN: What does it feel like to master playing an instrument by ear?

#68
Some people mentioned learning absolute pitch, but I've played an instrument for many years without achieving what I would call absolute pitch. However, I'd say you can learn relative pitch in a much shorter time if you learn some basic music theory.

Just making this stat up on the spot, but probably 90+% of traditional Western music is played in either a major or minor scale or some combination of both. Being able to identify major and minor is fairly simple and can probably be learned in a few hours and refined over a few weeks. This will let you categorize much of the music you hear into two buckets. From there you can learn about intervals. The majority of music is in a major scale, so you can start with those. Play scales and play the various intervals. Play them slowly and repeatedly. With practice you can easily identify the intervals and this will help you identify the jumps between notes in songs. Then it's quite easy to fine tune to the exact scale and octave by simple comparison between a recording and what you're playing. With more practice you'll begin to identify common scales for categories of songs.

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