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Yeah, didn't see the "AND". Android is more expensive too usually for various reasons.
Is it? Why? (Just less programmer doing it?)
Ask HN: How much does it cost to outsource iPhone app development?
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Re: Ask HN: How much does it cost to outsource iPhone app development?
#62Any other questions, ping me.
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#63I'll be happy to talk to you about your app. I've been developing freelance iphone apps since day 1 of the beta. I've had apps featured at the All Things D conference, NY Times, all of the gadget websites and one of my apps was chosen as one of the top 20 apps of 2009 by a prominent magazine. I live an Ann Arbor MI, but I've done several projects from companies in CA including a prominent app for a San Jose based com…
I have a questions on the dynamics if you don't mind me asking... -is this your full time job and your sole source of income ? -are you able to find a normal amount of work just like a 9-5 job (i.e. 40 hours a week for 50 weeks -> 2000 billable hours a year)
Of course there are ups and downs, so sometimes I'm working a couple of projects at once and working 60-70 hours, and sometimes I'm fighting to stay busy, but in general staying busy has not been the problem.
Like this post though, given the amount of west coast work, I find myself working late most of the time. But that adjustment was not a big deal and many customers like that I have been working on stuff for them while they were still having breakfast.
Re: Ask HN: How much does it cost to outsource iPhone app development?
#64I'll be happy to talk to you about your app. I've been developing freelance iphone apps since day 1 of the beta. I've had apps featured at the All Things D conference, NY Times, all of the gadget websites and one of my apps was chosen as one of the top 20 apps of 2009 by a prominent magazine. I live an Ann Arbor MI, but I've done several projects from companies in CA including a prominent app for a San Jose based com…
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Re: Ask HN: How much does it cost to outsource iPhone app development?
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Yeah, didn't see the "AND". Android is more expensive too usually for various reasons.
Is it? Why? (Just less programmer doing it?)
Multiple resolutions Poor Tools (Eclipse is clunkier than Xcode, but there is no visual layout tool at all like Interface Builder for iPhone)
Hand Coded Layouts in XML
Multiple OS Platforms (Android 1.5, 1.6, 2.0 and 2.1 are all live in the wild and are not user upgradeable past the version they have).
Varied Screen Sizes (And no, you don't have to specifically account for this in the iPad, your iPhone app will run just fine).
In addition to those fundamental issues, currently the apis:
In-App purchase on android is a bit clunky for some programs (you are buying a separate app on the android market)
Sound is horrible, just horrible
Video is poorly documented, not very standardized, and not easy to use. People who write major frameworks have trouble getting documentation on good ways to make good videos (I know, I mailed them the FFMPEG parameters required to do streaming video).
And lastly, it looks like the G1, the flagship phone, has been mis-specced, and will likely never get the 2.x line of android OS releases (that's what droid runs now).
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This is especially important for the Apple App Store because there is no other way to know if your app will be approved. This is HUGE! Do you believe a company can flourish just as an App store app. or is that just too risky. Would love to hear your personal opinion. I'm working on an enterprise solution, and it's reliance is completely on Apple's code-of-conduct.
If it's an enterprise solution, it doesn't have necessary have to go through App store, no?
This is designed for people who say, buy 100 ipads to replace clip boards in their hospital.
You cannot however, do distribution through any mechanism other than the app store (I had one perspective client who wanted to buy $30k of iPodTouches and give them out to clients, Apple flipped a shit when I asked for a discount on them and said you're wholly unallowed to do anything of the kind. Each person must download all their apps through their account on the app store. Anything else is forbidden.
Re: Ask HN: How much does it cost to outsource iPhone app development?
#68The going rate for a great developer/designer with lots of mobile experience here in SF is in the ~150 an hour range. I've seen this price go up significantly in the last couple months, primarily due to high demand at the moment. You can probably get a little cheaper outside the area and definitely less offshore, but even then a good offshore house will run you $60 and they often don't like doing fixed bids at those…
Everyone reading this, please don't think the ~150 an hour range is normal for an individual developer. This is generally the rate for a full service design/development agency where you get an account manager, secretaries, etc. I do iPhone development and haven't met anyone getting even close to $150/hr individually. If someone made that, they'd be be making $6,000/week and $300,000/year. yish, can you confirm that t…
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If it's an enterprise solution, it doesn't have necessary have to go through App store, no?
The native functionality is tied into the form factor. thats the biggest advantage to having a native app. In an ideal situation, i'll be giving out the iPad free, shipped with my App. already installed. the value proposition can be so huge that would offset the device cost. Something like this would fit our slogan iPad was made for our X , all the other goodies are just extra :P
The enterprise solution is only for internal. The only other distribution channel is the App store. You're not allowed to distribute an app any other way.
Sure, you can give them the iPad, but Apple's lawyers will be on your back the second they found out about your practice. And as soon as they sync it to their own account, the app will disappear.
Re: Ask HN: How much does it cost to outsource iPhone app development?
#70This is what I do for a living (in Atlanta though). Depends a lot on the complexity. For non-game apps: Some smaller, simple apps are 2-3k, more complex stuff runs in the 10-15k range. Past that you're doing something A> Really Hard, B> New, C> On the edge of what Apple allows or D> Heavily involved with a complicated server component. I'd happily send you a fixed fee quote for your app if you'd like (see profile for…
+1 for the walking the client through the developer approval process. It's win-win, as the client gets the app released under their own moniker, and you get to preserve your anonymity.
I actually do submission for some people as well and the whole rigmarole. All depends on what the client is interested in paying for.
I've helped several people who hired out of country developers then got left with a pile of source code and no way to get it on the store.
One of them, amusingly, wouldn't let me VNC in to their computer, so I had to do it all by phone (that was fun). Most of the rest of them I use copilot/webex or something to help train them on the process and get their computer setup for distribution.