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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#581

Potentially risking downvotes, since religion makes people uncomfortable, but since you mentioned mental health services are lacking, have you tried joining a local church? Priests are the original therapists, and it’s a great way to meet people. It’s not for everyone, but if you’re struggling to find meaning in your own life, perhaps looking up is the answer?

A lot of depression and lost hope is truly a fair assessment of this short life on earth. I believe we will find satisfying and lasting meaning by connecting with God.

"He has planted eternity in the human heart" -- Ecclesiastes 3:11

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#582

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How would you find the right therapist in that situation?

that's the question, ain't it? Telling people to just suffer through terrible therapy probably ain't the answer

I think the question to ask is: is this therapist helping me or not? If not move on to another one.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#583
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Chomsky? He's a linguist, what does that have to do with Psychoanalysis? Feynman? He's a physicist, what does that have to do with Psychoanalysis? ... This list very much sounds like something the marketing team of an online therapy startup would put together and post to Wikipedia and tell their colleagues to contribute to.

> Chomsky? He's a linguist, what does that have to do with Psychoanalysis? He's also a philosopher, historian and cognitive scientist. He has received a Membership of the National Academy of Sciences (which is an award given to scientists), a Kyoto prize in Basic Sciences, a medal from a German academy of science, an American Psychology Association Award for Distinguished Scientific Contributions to Psychology, etc.…

> Although, I am interested in knowing why you think that you are more qualified than these people to judge whether a discipline is scientific or not.

Because this doesn't pass the smell test.

You can always provide positive evidence for existence of something if you find a hole in provided evidence then you should then be extra careful believing the hypothesis. Or in Black Swan lingo skeptical empiricism.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#584

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> What meta analysis shows the inefficacy of psychoanalysis? Despite being apparently on the side of science, you didn’t bother to cite any actual science. Ironic Look, if you are so interested in this, why don't you do the research yourself? I literally just googled "meta-analysis psychoanalysis" and the very first link that came up [1] was, surprisingly, a meta-analysis about psychoanalysis which concluded the abst…

Here’s a study from a month or two ago (10 years after your meta analysis) with n=216 and long term follow up showing (high, increasing) efficacy. You seem confused about the conclusions there, that doesn’t discredit psychoanalysis, it encourages further study. And here is further study. You should try to be more rigorous in your thinking. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9710086/

See, this is exactly why I didn't want to cite any particular study or analysis.

I knew this was going to turn into this pointless debate.

I even mentioned it in my parent comment that you can always find some study which says the opposite of what I'm saying. That does not refute what I said and it is not how science works.

You have to analyze a bunch of evidence, from many studies and meta-studies together as a whole, you can't just pick and choose the studies that are more convenient to you.

Not to mention that you asked me to cite a meta-analysis (which I did) and then you counter-act with a single study about a single trial.

So here's the thing: I am not interested in you citing me any study or meta-analysis. As I said before, I'm not interested in continuing this discussion.

I was just arguing what I know about this topic and what I've learned from experts (in psychology and methodology, mostly) and my own research.

You can feel free to ignore me or to continue arguing, but I'm not going to answer anymore.

I don't have a horse in this race and I don't want to waste any more of my time.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#585
Well I know a guy who worked in the same TV shop until his 40's, when his dad died. Then he got a job in an oil company, took all the most dangerous jobs, travelled all the way round the world, was kidnapped in Nigeria, met a Turkish nurse on the Syrian border, got married and now lives with her on the Mediterranean coast.

If you want another story listen to how KFC was founded - that guy was 67.

You were there when you Dad died, some people don't get that closure... Now your decisions are about what you want.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#586
I was 35 when I pulled myself out of a 15 year tailspin. It's been more than a decade since but I've maintained all the progress that I've made and have fully turned my life around. It's possible to do - if that Old Me could do it then you definitely can.

You've gotten a ton of advice so I'll keep mine short: Setbacks will happen even if you're doing everything 'right'. Life can throw a lot of shiz at you for no good reason. Be prepared to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get back to it.

It can be done. Hang in there. Best wishes from me and my family.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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I think for me, the hardest part is reconciling two things: 1) maybe being _too content_ or satisfied with life's mundanity — the idea of being settled down and spending most of my free time at home with my dog, playing video games, reading news, watching interesting videos, and occasionally reading a good book — with the occasional social gathering with friends, whether that's hosting a small party, or going to a fu…

This is me, this is me. Ahah. But, I'm not sure I'm looking for a wife though. it is draining having a partner/relationship for me. After a while, I just go silent and kinda avoid communication. I'm in my 30s, sometime I'm scared to be old and alone. I can't make my mind up. The fact is that I mostly like doing my hobbies alone. This makes difficult for me to have companionship. Even eating, I prefer to do it alone.…

Ah yes! Sorry, I should have mentioned that. I am in my early 30's, dated a few women in my late 20's after a long break from dating, and was ultimately not successful. I am reasonably attractive/average, and can strike up a fun conversation, though I struggle with my longer-term relationships because I don't often have a lot new to share in life, and I love listening to other people's lives, as much as they're willing to share. I can always ask great follow-up questions and keep the conversation going smoothly — but I mention all this because it's certainly a core insecurity I have, that people may think I am not sharing enough with them because my life is so simple, and my interests are niche enough that I feel rude boring people to death about programming and gaming. Outside of that, I love politics, but that's a tricky topic.

I can relate a lot with what you said. I think deep down, I have a sincere desire to be married and (maybe) have children. The children part feels draining to me just thinking about it because I cherish my alone time and hobbies SO much. I know if I meet someone who respects my hobbies and alone time without any drama around it, that woman and I would be a very happy couple.

I'm with you though: I mostly prefer to engage with what I love doing alone, including eating. I will go out to eat with friends on occasion, or cook a tasty meal for friends hanging out at my house, but I generally have the luxury of solitude. One of by biggest fears is being bound to a regular interval of social activity, so if anyone ever tells me "We should do thing X or Y every Tuesday!", I panic, and soften the request with: "I may not be able to every week, but I'd love to from time to time. Let's figure out a day that works next week!" and go from there. Nobody is entitled to your time that regularly, especially as we get older and more committed to our responsibilities.

Finally I'll say, if you do decide to "get into the game" again with dating, just be upfront with whomever your partner is about your habits and preferences. It's hard not to feel like an asshole about it, but there are tactful, kind ways to strike compromise and understanding with those you love. When communicated as a deep need of your own, rather than an indictment against their social wishes, it can go a long way. Not everyone will agree or be amenable to that, but they also don't exist to shape your calendar or lifestyle. Another tip for early relationships, if you find there is tension around how much time you spend together, saying something like: "You know, I love spending time with you, but it's going to take some time for me to adjust to dating again. I've spent the last 10-20 years of my life comfortable being alone and chasing after my life without a partner this whole time. Thanks for being patient with me as we both adjust to this awesome new relationship!"

It's okay to expect others to adapt to your relatively non-intrusive ways of living. On the flip side, if you desire companionship with others, and thusly, a romantic relationship, some compromise will be necessary, but having secure, level-headed conversations about this with people is 100% the key. The empathy will flow both ways. I recommend reading "Attached" by Amir Levine for more insight on secure conversations with anxious or avoidant people.

"I just really need (and enjoy) being alone or being able to enjoy my interests without others interacting with me a lot of the time, and I know you love hanging out doing X and Y, and I love spending time with you whenever we're both feeling it, so let's play it by ear!"

Anyway, thanks for reading my novel. I hope this helps. It's encouraging to meet another person who feels the struggle between contentedness in solitude and our need for relationship.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#588

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> You need to see a therapist You should reword that. Otherwise how did humanity last this long? Psychotherapy is less than two centuries old. You should instead say something like, "One option is to see a therapist." There are friends, elders, books, and a number of other ways to climb out of a mental rut. Traipsing "Psychology Today" for a therapist who will charge the insurance $150 for 40 minutes of a session, th…

It's worth considering a therapist as similar to a medical intervention - yes, good eating, clean living, and regular exercise can keep you healthy, but after a very long time of not doing so, it's possible to find oneself too far down the road for that kind of change to sufficient on its own. Similarly, the help of friends, family, etc. can do wonders for one's mental health, but after a very long time of neglect, t…

I don't disagree with anything you've said, and I don't think therapy is useless. Especially when one is past a point where there are few other options.

It's just a sad state of affairs that there are so few other options for people. I continue to pin the blame on the remote-first nature of society, which seems to make in person interaction secondary. It perpetuates loneliness which perpetuates mental health issues.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#589

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A therapist is helpful but I would also suggest seeing a psychiatrist. Clinical depression and mood issues need to be treated with medication. I would recommend finding a psychiatrist and get a referral for therapist from them if you are able to. You would be able to work together with both medication and theraphy to get better. It will take bit of a time to get better but don't be discouraged, OP. Progress will be s…

> Clinical depression and mood issues need to be treated with medication. How to know someone is American before they even mention "other English speaking countries"

Ok now look up anti depressant intake levels in europe.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#590

You need to see a therapist. Your problem is largely on your outlook on where you are in life. This is not meant to be a buck up or shut up comment, it's just that you can't improve your life until you change your outlook on things. You won't be able to move forward on things until you confront your feelings and accept your position to move out of it. To answer your question, yes. My 30's were a mess with a divorce,…

> You need to see a therapist You should reword that. Otherwise how did humanity last this long? Psychotherapy is less than two centuries old. You should instead say something like, "One option is to see a therapist." There are friends, elders, books, and a number of other ways to climb out of a mental rut. Traipsing "Psychology Today" for a therapist who will charge the insurance $150 for 40 minutes of a session, th…

Spo on, in this isolated atomized western reality, the end result is posts like that and therapy suggestions as replies.
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