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Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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My method sure hasn't worked very well... or has it? I was looking for cheap warehouse space to start a business in, and did a nation-wide search for the largest, cheapest building in the entire continental US. I found one that seemed too good to be true. a 220,000 sqft metal warehouse and office complex on 17 acres. I thought the price was a typo at $375k.The agent assured me that the price was correct, and I flew o…

I want in a linear accelerator way to see what happens if pontifer and Alan of HeavyDSparks [1] all got together and rebuilt Alan’s hacker fortress together. Maybe include Andrew Camarata [2] to increase the chances to Get Things Done. Personally the most interesting question I haven’t seen asked is how he searched for cheap properties. [1] https://youtu.be/EwievpEnXrE [2] https://youtube.com/c/AndrewCamarata

Oh yeah, forgot to mention... It was just a search loopnet.com for buildings over 65,000 sqft sorted by price. You can do a map search, then "remove boundary" and zoom out to see everything nation-wide that matches your search.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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Without a symphony/opera, theater, decent concert venue, and some art museums, life is going to get real boring, real fast. I did a stint in a cheap culture wasteland through covid. It may be economically cheaper but the toll it takes on your soul is real.

I grew up in a town with all of those things that was under 40k people and in the Midwest. Just admit you hate “flyover country”.

Then it’s clear I’m not talking about your town.

I hate places that are devoid of culture, because they generate local societies of people who without exception are fine with it (as evidenced by their not moving away).

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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Move to The Netherlands and you can suddenly walk everywhere. Also it's rather easy to get into NL with the Dutch American Friendship Treaty. [0]

The only thing you need is a company in NL and keeping $4500 on your bank account. Registering a company in NL is as easy as buying milk. One visit to the Chamber of Commerce [1] and you're good.

[0] https://dutchamericanfriendship.com/

[1] https://www.kvk.nl

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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College towns I found have been great for this - things to do, access to airports and good schools, top-notch hospitals usually in the middle of "nowhere". Look into Charlottesville, Virginia - went to UVA and loved the town. Have also heard good things about Ithaca NY, Champaign IL, and Ann Arbor MI.

I currently live in Charlottesville and would recommend against it. Its general infrastructure is crumbling. Sidewalks and bike paths, while they exist (barely), are neglected. The city government just bought a parking lot, for example, when there is already ample parking [1]. And yes, it's very expensive relative to what you get. I'm fortunate that I can bike to work because I live in town, but > 90% of my co-workers have to commute (by car; there's not much of a shuttle/bus system outside of UVA/CVille proper) because they can't afford to live here.

[1] https://www.nbc29.com/2022/06/22/charlottesville-city-counci...

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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20 or so shops isn't mid-sized, is it?

I just moved to Orcas Island in the PNW after living in cities (Seattle, Anchorage) for most of my adult life. I'm near the one town on the island (which is REALLY quiet outside of the 4 warmest/touristy months). ~4,500 people year round population. Weather is perfect with near zero rain for 4-6 months but a bit gray / drizzly for the rest. It's rarely cold, but decent ski hills are 2h inland.

The population (like a lot of small towns) is pretty old, but I found the small group of newer folks (lots of tech expats) to be really welcoming.

I can walk to the small airport, which has regular $180-$200 flights to Seattle (show up 10min before departure, 45min flight). Ferries are more work but sometimes you want your vehicle on the mainland for a big group of houseguests or whatnot.

I'm 15min away from getting a paddlboard into two mountain lakes-- both are popular swimming destinations for locals. I have friends pulling crabs and prawns out of the water all summer. There are zillions of islands and inlets around-- it's a playground if you're a boater. 4-5 good hikes on the islands with breathtaking views. There's one (never crowded) gym in town with a racquetball court. There's a board game meetup. A few fancy restaurants, one killer cocktail bar, a good locals dive bar. I leave my door unlocked. There's a "village green" with frequent concerts and a Saturday farmer's market. The schools and kids on this island are amazing. Ferries and small planes can get you quickly to Victoria/Vancouver Island, Vancouver (the city), and assorted other cool small/medium towns.

I'm pretty new to this, but am LOVING it. There are downsides-- not a lot of food variety in town, tough to make new friends if you aren't the kind of person who makes the effort. The gray season is long and VERY quiet, so you definitely need to budget time/$ to travel. The schools are pretty understanding about missed days in the winter because of this.

Hit me up if you (or anyone) ever wants to check it out. I'll buy you a drink and talk your ear off about it.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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College towns. Pick some states, and go visit towns with colleges in them. They'll have restaurants and groceries, and those faculty kids have to go to school somewhere. Internet should be passable, too. They won't be the cheapest small town option, but houses should come in well below a million bucks. The one town you mention, Lancaster, PA, is a model of the type.

I second this. Close to the Bay Area you have UC Santa Cruz and UC Davis… very different vibes but both will have areas with homes Not a college town but also in California are Sacramento, Ventura, San Luis Obispo (CalPoly but I wouldn’t say college town), and San Diego (UCSD but not a college town). The latter three are beach towns if you like temperate climate. Sac doesn’t get too cold but it does get very hot. All have nice downtowns (depending on what you want) and don’t require a car.

You’ll have CA high taxes and real estate probably cost double or triple what it would in the mid-West but a fraction of LA or Bay Area.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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It's called poverty. Welcome to rural America. Went down the shitter when industry left and the rest of the country ignored it for decades, so now we have MAGA, drugs and crime, and a whole lotta cheap land.

“The rest of the country ignored it” Is this how local residents feel? I find this sentiment rather confusing. Rural places tend to be distrustful of central government. Meaning, they are happy to be ignored by “the rest of the country” since those outsiders don’t share their values.

>distrustful of central government

This hasn’t really been true for a while. Much of the quasi-libertarian stuff comes out of the conservative intellectual crowd, think tanks, lobbying groups etc. Some of it was also a holdover from the Reagan era, which was the last big right-wing populist movement, before Trump showed up.

It’s the anti-immigration, pro-manufacturing stuff that really comes out of rural areas. Stuff that creates jobs and cuts down on wage-dilution. If the Trump years were about anything, they were about the right collectively deciding they wanted an industrial policy and pro-labor (not pro-union, mind you) policy, instead of warmed over economic libertarianism.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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One homicide in a town of 1,800 people would give you a homicide rate of 56 per 100,000. I wouldn’t read into that statistic too much.

My thought as well. A homicide happened in this town, is all that statistic shows.

Pine Bluff's population is much larger than 1,800. I'll just quote the full Wikipedia excerpt:

Pine Bluff had 29 homicides in 2021. Pine Bluff had 23 murders in 2020 - a rate of 56.5 murders per 100,000 people. The national average was 6.5 murders per 100,000 people in 2020.

As of July 29, in 2022 there have been 17 homicides reported in Pine Bluff.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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This is completely false. There are lunatics of all stripes.

I agree. Local politics is less about avoiding weirdos, and more about finding which weirdos you agree with.

So you're now disagreeing with yourself.
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