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Re: Ask HN: Any interesting niche hobbies?

#561
So this thing would require you years, if not more before you can contribute meaningfully; and you have to build a community basically from scratch for it -- and before that you not only can't contribute, but you can't even participate. But hear me out.

WhatWhenWhere (спортивное Что Где Когда in Russian. Note the "sport" part -- it's an entirely different, much more interesting game than a regular one). Doesn't ring a bell, I know, but mostly because it is almost exclusively post-USSR deal, but wouldn't it be cool if the movement becomes worldwide? You can help!

The idea is simple. It's a quiz game. Think pub quiz, but formalized. You have a team of 6, you have 36 questions, and you have a minute to give an answer to each one. Sounds boring? It isn't, believe me, otherwise we wouldn't have people who have been doing it for decades -- myself included, I played my first game at about 13, and I'm over 30 now. Obviously I was doing it on and off for a while, but for last seven or so years it was pretty consistent. Last year I participated in 83 games, so about 1.5 a week.

So what's the deal, and what's the appeal? How is it different from a regular pub quiz? First, almost no just trivia questions. Yeah, you can get a question about recent Oscars or Italian brainrot here or there, but rarely and still packaged properlt. Second, and most important, as I mentioned, it is more formalized. There are rules, committees, leagues, nationals, ratings and so on. But the best part -- there is a way to write questions right. There are tools to help you lead players in the right direction, help them determine what possible solutions aren't correct -- all that without revealing anything that would spoil the right answer. Number of letters in the answer, the etymology of the word -- is it Greek, is it Arab, is it French?; grammar pointers, toponyms and personal names. You can make a host read you question in a certain way as a part of the question. You can print out (a lot of games are still played offline) something and turn that into question. You can ask a question that is one word long! You can ask a question without a single word if you set it up right -- recently played one like that. There is metagame to it -- you can set something up in a question 3, to have it come into play in the question 9. There's drama -- captain of one of my teams seduced a wife of opposing team's captain. There's dickmeasuring with global leaderboards. But most importantly, there's a constant race between authors and players to outwit each other. We have a publicly available database of questions played previously -- aptly named gotquestions.online with 6+ thousand of "packets" -- a set of questions, played in one game, usually 36, but since we have 24-hour marathons, some of them are over 600 questions long. And you can see the way questions evolved over the years. It was completely normal to ask something like "What's the name of the painting of the guy with an apple for a face" in the one of the most prestigious tournaments in the late 90s. Now this wouldn't fly even in a school tournament -- because it's not a proper WWW question, it's just a question. A WWW question makes you first unravel the thought process of an author, find a direction of the answer and then try to remember the name of the guy who dug up Troy. So yeah, it would require you to have some general and sometimes pretty deep knowledge of a lot of things, but most of the time it would be just logic, communication -- there are six people solving the same problem in your team, and ability to read hidden hints.

Interesting note: in my experience about half of players on any game would be tech guys and gals; almost all the rest would be split between lawyers of some description, and education professionals. Teams I currently play with consist of about 10 IT professionals (one of which also a professor of compsci), a lawyer, a psychologist, a private school headmaster, a professor of law in university (combo) and a logistics manager. So it also a great hobby for networking.

To finish my ramblings, I'll translate a question from recent school tournament and walk you through the solution. It doesn't require any intricate knowledge of an original language (a lot of hints built using that) or some deep specialized knowledge from any field, just general one.

On the days of the game near the Stadio Pier Luigi Penzo you can find unusual traffic jams. Where does this stadium located?

Solving this will take you just a couple of steps. First, make note of the stadium name. Obviously named after someone, but most likely not from English-speaking country. Sounds Italian if anything, and the guy isn't some world-famous athlete to have a stadium named after him elsewhere but the Italy. Keep that in mind -- it's probably in Italy. Next step: unusual traffic jams. What can be so unusual about the traffic jam? Long? Mundane. Colorful? No one buys colorful cars anymore. Not cars? That might work, but what if not cars? Mopeds? Too close to cars and gives us nothing. Bikes? Not Netherlands, and still leaves too many options for a city on the table. Boats? That might work, that's unusual. Are there any Italian cities full of water? Venice would be one.

And what do you know, that's the right answer.

So yeah, wouldn't this be a great pastime? Join us, play the game, write your own questions, build a community and be remembered as a Person Who Brought The Game to the Anglosphere.

Re: Ask HN: Any interesting niche hobbies?

#562
My hobby involves trying to help my brother get a job. He has a disability and can only work remotely at low-skill jobs. So, I have spent years applying, starting, and doing work in virtual assistant, support desk, and social media management roles for him. I apply to contract and freelance projects on his behalf, get started with the work, and later try to hand it off to him. He will either say one of two things: "You do it yourself" or that his brain cannot process the work. I make 10-15 times more money at my regular job, so hearing him say "You do it yourself" is not fun.

This hobby also includes trying to convince him that the business schemes he comes up with are not great—they're exclusively fraud-related, such as various forms of gambling and crypto stuff.

Mum keeps telling me that if I do not look after him, he will likely end up in a worst situation. He is in his early 40s by the way.

I did a second job as a hobby so I could just pay him the money, but that did not work because he keeps investing it in one of his schemes. So, I have to find him a job and convince him to keep it. I have a set of fake accounts that I use to apply to jobs and beg him take them on while he continuously says "you do it".

This has been going on for 7 years now.

Re: Ask HN: Any interesting niche hobbies?

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post #562

My hobby involves trying to help my brother get a job. He has a disability and can only work remotely at low-skill jobs. So, I have spent years applying, starting, and doing work in virtual assistant, support desk, and social media management roles for him. I apply to contract and freelance projects on his behalf, get started with the work, and later try to hand it off to him. He will either say one of two things: "Y…

:(

Dunno which kind of disability, but at some point you being the good brother can reach a limit.

Re: Ask HN: Any interesting niche hobbies?

#564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious how that character 変 made it in there. Is that a typo for 2?

My first thought was that they were an LLM, but then checking their profile it seems they've been around since 2012 and have a comment expressing that they seem to get accused of being an LLM a lot, and suggesting people don't do that.

Any sufficiently interesting person eventually gets accused of being an AI. Quite soon these accusations will nearly always be accurate.

Re: Ask HN: Any interesting niche hobbies?

#565
post #562

My hobby involves trying to help my brother get a job. He has a disability and can only work remotely at low-skill jobs. So, I have spent years applying, starting, and doing work in virtual assistant, support desk, and social media management roles for him. I apply to contract and freelance projects on his behalf, get started with the work, and later try to hand it off to him. He will either say one of two things: "Y…

You’re a great brother! Sorry to hear your unappreciated.

I have a friend, philosophy masters, smart, autistic and he is not entering the work force. Any tips?

Re: Ask HN: Any interesting niche hobbies?

#566

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Blood on the Clocktower to do this, it's a social deduction game (that's just not randomly accusing each other) so it gets everyone talking easily

Although I've had some fun with deduction games, I'm usually extremely averse to them. Forced to sit down and try to lie while listen to my voice suspiciously, then having the group turn against me and all my friends and randos interrogating and accusing me... it's like a special hell-dream come to life.

Indeed, and if you're especially good at it and win the game, then everybody knows from then on that you can't be trusted because you can't be easily read.

Re: Ask HN: Any interesting niche hobbies?

#567
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My hobby is organizing in-person meetups for random people to get together, chat and make friends. Barely structured, if at all. I've found this rewarding and ended up making friends this way. You have to accept that 5-15% of the people who would show up to something like this are genuine weirdos you probably don't want to be around. And another 10% at any given meetup are autistic or neuro-divergent but well-meaning…

> You have to accept that 5-15% of the people who would show up to something like this are genuine weirdos you probably don't want to be around. How have you handled this in past meetups?

`embedding-shape` answered it better than I could have, but I will add: I "ban" people from meetups who are overall bad for the group.

E.g. people who register to take up a (free) spot and then don't show up after multiple reminders, people who are especially rude to somebody fragile, even people who are unconstructively / loudly negative (picture the equivalent of walking into an auditorium of 800+ people, picking up the microphone on stage to yell "this meetup sucks!" then walking out).

This policy is controversial and I'm always trying to find the balance between being as welcoming as possible to people who aren't neurotypical or are going through a hard time and need the social interaction (e.g. me, multiple times in my life)... and people who just come off as jerks and are a net negative to the group.

I'm in multiple groups myself and I always measure myself by whether my showing up that day was a net positive, neutral or a net negative. If the latter, I don't belong there... at least not until I fix whatever was wrong.

Re: Ask HN: Any interesting niche hobbies?

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post #562

My hobby involves trying to help my brother get a job. He has a disability and can only work remotely at low-skill jobs. So, I have spent years applying, starting, and doing work in virtual assistant, support desk, and social media management roles for him. I apply to contract and freelance projects on his behalf, get started with the work, and later try to hand it off to him. He will either say one of two things: "Y…

:( Dunno which kind of disability, but at some point you being the good brother can reach a limit.

He has a physical disability, and he had major trauma that he is dealing with, but that was more than a decade ago. He went to therapy a few times but a couple of therapist essentially gave up on him. He said they were zoned out when he keeps talking.

I have been at my "limit" for several years already. I have a day job, and at night I am making freaking "Happy Easter" posters in Canva for a print shop with 200 followers on Instagram. Everyday I am begging the guy to take over the contract while he continuously keeps saying "you do it" or that his brain does not work. He is literally doing the whole 9 yards. Even has a podcast and live streams. I am not kidding at all. I told myself maybe talking to the camera is a way for him to connect with his friends and a coping mechanism.

We all carry our burdens. It sounds extremely disrespectful and dishonorable, but without the help of autistic parenting groups, I wouldn’t have lasted this long. He is my platonic autistic surrogate son.

Re: Ask HN: Any interesting niche hobbies?

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post #562

My hobby involves trying to help my brother get a job. He has a disability and can only work remotely at low-skill jobs. So, I have spent years applying, starting, and doing work in virtual assistant, support desk, and social media management roles for him. I apply to contract and freelance projects on his behalf, get started with the work, and later try to hand it off to him. He will either say one of two things: "Y…

You’re a great brother! Sorry to hear your unappreciated. I have a friend, philosophy masters, smart, autistic and he is not entering the work force. Any tips?

No, I am not. That is the thing—it has been 7 years, and we are stuck in the same loop. If I were to give your friend advice, it is to send a lot of warm emails. Joining a freelance marketplace is going to be brutal. Connect with folks in different communities, talk with them a bit, and then ask if they have any jobs. The success rate I would say is about 1 out of 50 to 70 outreaches.

Re: Ask HN: Any interesting niche hobbies?

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post #562

My hobby involves trying to help my brother get a job. He has a disability and can only work remotely at low-skill jobs. So, I have spent years applying, starting, and doing work in virtual assistant, support desk, and social media management roles for him. I apply to contract and freelance projects on his behalf, get started with the work, and later try to hand it off to him. He will either say one of two things: "Y…

It’s time to let go.
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