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Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#541

I haven't had a drink in almost 5 years. I still consume cannabis and psychedelics. I talk to a LOT of people about this. But I am not a professional. Tip #1: You have to stop beating yourself up over it. It's brutal. I get it. At my lowest I woke up for months wanting to eat a bullet. If I had better tools and coping skills I wouldn't have as close as I did. Tip #2: Know you want to quit. Know that you CAN quit. It…

> Tip #6: Make new friends, cut back on the old ones

I've been told this is one of the hardest parts, because those old friends are often the ones encouraging and reinforcing the addiction. Finding new friends can be hard, especially if one has associated all social activities with alcohol. I have someone close to me in my life that had the perception, prior to giving up alcohol, that non-drinkers are boring and wouldn't spend time with them. Therefore this person ended up avoiding sober individuals and non-drinkers, but has since discovered that this is not the case, it was just the drinker's mind rationalizing and enabling.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#542

I had to let(make) it become part of my identity. “I’m a person who doesn’t drink alcohol.” “People will know and perceive me as a person who doesn’t drink alcohol. This is fine because it’s true.” It’s the same as being a person who doesn’t do a thing that you already don’t do. You can tell people you feel healthier without it and it’s just your preference. Most people won’t pry further. For some reason, Europeans t…

> “I’m a person who doesn’t drink alcohol.”

This is very interesting. I have gradually become this person because I don't tolerate alcohol well anymore and it doesn't bother me to say this to myself or anyone else. Yet on the other hand, I have someone very close to me, who experiences incredible anxiety when embracing the identity of being a non-drinker. The way it was put to me was "Everyone will know I have a problem with alcohol and it makes me ashamed and self conscious".

And yet, my experience is that no one ever asks why I don't drink or even care and they still like being around me.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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Are the prices higher for a drink in the free tapas bars? I mean, no such thing as a free lunch, but this article shows that a drink is like 5 euros and you get a little meal with that, which seems like a great deal. In Germany I'd have to pay at least 5 euros per 0.5 liters of beer in average locations. Yes, the article is 7 years old and Spain is a little cheaper to live in and we have high inflation but it still s…

A 25 cl beer + a small pork loin sandwich with a few potato chips is 2€ in my hometown in Spain.

Pretty nice. In Ukraine right now a 500 cl of a relatively okay beer in a bar goes north of 2.5€ alone, and sandwiches start at about 3€. Damn

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#544
I stopped drinking from 03/2013. I found the process has very few to do with alcohol itself. It'll a lot of communication with yourself.

1. Since you already asked for the approach, it's relative easy to persuade yourself that you want to cut it out altogether. Either because of you don't enjoy the foggy head or like me, stomach bugs. There could be no real reason at all. For the substance of alcohol, you might want to cut it out completely not because it's unhealthy, on the contrary, it might even be healthy. so what. the most important is your decision and determination to take back control.

2. get rid off all the alcohols at home but keep a couple of cans of beer in the refrigerator. make a sticker annotating the date and write down firmly and warmly that 'I don't need it. I quit drinking from 11/10/2022'. Look at them and tell yourself that 'I don't need it. bye beer.' close the refrigerator and tell yourself you're amazing. Do this every once a while.

there's a lot of time of weakness. It's hard mostly because people forget their decision, or not taking the decision seriously enough. sometimes, I need to sit down and tell myself that alcohol is a substance same as butter, good or bad, it doesn't matter any more since i don't need it. i decided to get rid of it from my life. if this worked for me, i will add another sticker telling myself that i success on 04/2013, 05/2013 .. how amazing i was! especially when the stickers piled up thick. the stickers also had some crazy things like 'damn you', 'bye dear bear' .. etc. i bet someone could write a app for it. but stickers on the can works perfectly.

The mind game worked for me. Eventually after a few years, I get rid off those old cans and stickers as well. during the time i can sit with my friends and watching them drinking beer. IF someone asked me to drink, I would tell them the same simple decision. I was a social drinker, quit drinking also endorsed me strong confidence to tell them my true thought - I am same good or even better without the cold beer. I will usually have iced water and chew the ice cubes if i have to drink something.

Honestly all my friends support me quite well. and didn't challenge me too often :D I would suggest that except for those two cans of cues, never get too close to cold beer before your mind wired with the unnecessary of booze.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#545
There are medications you can take before drinking that inhibit the reward circuitry of the brain so you learn to stop the habits that make you drink when you'd rather not in hindsight.

This article from The Atlantic from a few years ago describes some of them while comparing them to the effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irr...

If this sounds interesting to you, I'd talk to your doctor about exploring the use of these or similar compounds.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#546
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Or an association/placebo thing. My brother and I once accidentally gave our dad NA beer. He didn't know. We soon realized it yet kept giving it to him all night. Bizarre, he actually got "drunk". Slower talking, ever more exaggerated stories, etc. It's not just a personal anecdote, this has been replicated with two student groups in a bar, one served alcohol, the others not. Both groups got "drunk". Likewise, you ca…

That's very interesting. Do you have any link discussing the study with student groups?

Not parent and not what you asked for but not all NA beer is actually 0.0%. Just one of the first search results but you can find many: https://steadydrinker.com/articles/this-is-how-much-alcohol-...

Also interesting in that regard: https://steadydrinker.com/articles/foods-drinks-alcohol/

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#547
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I've cut back by switching to non-alcohol beer. I've found that I enjoy the taste of beer, but I don't enjoy how shitty alcohol makes me feel. NA beer tends to solve that for me. Lots of good options coming out. * Just the Hazy by Sam Adams is top tier. * Athletic brewing is solely NA beer - lots of different varieties. * Heineken 0.0 is great * O'Douls amber is surprisingly passable as well I suspect the options wil…

Seconded! I'd also add that NA beer also tricks my brain into not feeling awkward when I'm at a bar with friends who're all drinking. Have also noticed that some NA beers make me feel elements of what I previously attributed to being hungover.

In addition to fleddrs remarks regarding that, if you've been 'hungover' from non-alcoholic beer and potentially other drinks and food, it might have nothing to do with alcohol at all.

It might be histamine intolerance.

Part of what makes you 'feel hungover' is the fact that parts of the beverage has been converted to histamines/contained histamines already. It's the part that makes headaches. It's particularly bad because of the de-hydration part of drinking and histamine problems are a concentration thing, as in being low on water or having enough water in your system w/ the same histamine amount can be the difference between headache or no headache. Histamines are both present in alcoholic beverages in the first place and alcohol inhibits the DAO enzyme from breaking down histamines. Now the problem with NA beers for example is that even though there's no (or way less) alcohol to inhibit DAO, if you're low on DAO for example, this can still be enough to make you feel hungover as histamines are still present/going to be created from the beverage, even though it's no longer a 'double whammy'. Certain foods will be able to do the same if this is what was causing it for you.

An example of what might happen if that's what you have:

Non-alcoholic beer -> headache One piece of lasagna a day, no problem One piece of lasagna for lunch and another one for dinner from the left overs -> headache Drink one tiny bottle of Actimel -> headache

The exact amounts may vary for different people, some foods are worse than others etc. E.g. it might not happen with tomatoes for you but may happen w/ certain cheeses (e.g. blue cheese might be an issue, so don't eat that whole 200g package of Roquefort all at once even though it's tempting).

Basically anything that contains histamines (or biogenic amines in general) or gets converted into histamines (such as histidine - also added to some vitamin/mineral pills for example) can now give you a "hangover headache".

Not to mention what lots of yeast can do to your digestive tract if you happen to drink all the yeast that had gathered at the bottom of that bottle of Hefeweizen.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#548

After years of heavy drinking (rock'n'roll and stuff) I woke up in one morning, found out what I have done yesterday (again) and decided that I don't want to see this face in the mirror again. It was 20+ years ago and I haven't touched alcohol since then. I can visit any party, can take part of conversations even with quite drunk people, but can leave any time I want and not to have any problems in the next morning.…

Folks will naturally ask, "How did you get to this point?" One insight into successfully walking away from addictions is recognizing that this thing (e.g. alcohol, cigarettes) is unambiguously poisonous. "When I [take/do] this, it will take more than it gives." Hard to articulate, but it happens when the scales that painted the substance with redeeming qualities falls from your eyes. Sorta like discovering you've ent…

It really wasn't any more complicated than that. I just didn't want to be this drinking person any more and I realized how massive waste of time it has been.

It probably means though that I didn't have any chemical addiction and it certainly helped that I had a things to do that benefited instantly from my decision – my work at that time.

It probably also helped that I was raised up by parents who didn't allow me to blame others when things went wrong with me – "You can't change to world no matter badly it behaves, but you can always do better yourself."

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#549
Hello everyone. I was heavy drinker for approximately 22 years, alcohol caused some real problems in my personal life. I drank from 18 until 39 years old. Let me tell my story how I quit drinking. One day during hangover (and my hangovers were hard as hell) I realised that my son is going to kindergarten and I badly want to see how he is graduating from school, university. On that day I made my temporary decision - to live 30 days without any alcohol. 30 days are not very much and are manageable for every person. After 30 days I didn't feel any urge to drink immediately so I'm still counting my "30 days". Since July of 2014. The best decision I made ever. I hope that my story could became inspiration and support for other fellas here in our sober journey.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#550

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Glad this worked out for you, well done. For anyone else who’s drinking at this level (a litre a day of vodka) please don’t quit cold turkey without seeing a doctor. It genuinely can be lethal. There are temporary medications that dramatically mitigate that risk.

Its seriously no joke... the mortality rate for withdrawal from heavy drinking is 10-20%.

Jesus, I knew it was bad, but those stats are unbelievable.
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