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Re: Ask HN: What is interviewing like now with everyone using AI?

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What, what? Harmonicas are tunable? TIL...

Oh yes, they are! You just need a small file, like a point file. Any gasheads remember those? And a single edge razor blade or the like to lift the reed. To raise the pitch, you file the end of the reed, making it lighter so it vibrates faster. To lower the pitch, you file near the attached end of the reed. I am not sure on the physics of this and would appreciate anyone's insight. The specific tuning I've done many…

Re: lower pitch, I'd hazard a guess that you're basically reducing the restoring force, so the resonant frequency goes down. Think of the attachment point as a bunch of springs in parallel; you snip a few of them and the overall spring constant is reduced. Or another way to think of it: Imagine you had a reed of a given width and then added mass to the end by making it wider at the non-attached end. You'd expect the frequency to go down.

Re: Ask HN: What is interviewing like now with everyone using AI?

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To add: I can very well imagine this process isn't suitable for FAANG, so I can understand their university exam style approach to a degree. It's easy to arm chair criticise, but I don't know if I could come up with something better at their scale. These days, I'm mostly engaged by startups to help them build an initial team, I acknowledge that's different from what a lot of other folks hire for.

Why not? Plenty of large organizations hire this way. My first employer is bigger than any FAANG company by head count, and they hired this way. Why is big tech different?

When you're operating a small furniture company, your master craftsmen can hand-fit every part. Match up the hole that's slightly too big with the dowel that's slightly too big, which they put to one side the other day.

When you're operating a huge furniture company, you want every dowel and every hole the same size. Then any fool can assemble it, and you don't have to waste time and space on a collection of slightly-too-large dowels.

To scale up often means focusing on consistency and precision, and less on expert judgement and care.

Re: Ask HN: What is interviewing like now with everyone using AI?

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This post is some unintentional satire how IBM operates (nobody invents anything in IBM anymore). The opening question is a copy of what was done before (probably by someone who doenst work at IBM anymore) and all the new stuff is stolen from outsiders.

Seriously? I can assure you with 100% certainty that the most important point - "teach me something" - was entirely my own innovation. I am tempted to take some offense at your comment. But I have to assume that you mean well. You are correct that I don't work for IBM any more. What does that have to do with anything?

I'm surprised at the negativity your approach seems to have sparked in a few, but I found it really great, probably very effective as well and will probably start to use it at some point.

Thanks for sharing.

Re: Ask HN: What is interviewing like now with everyone using AI?

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Do people still insist on coding tasks? Why don't simply formulate questions that await a broader and deeper knowledge of things, which helps to know how far the candidate can go? And for questions, I don't mean "it's better a list or a set?", but something like: "you have an application like this, how can you improve it to perform X?"

People still cheat, or try to. Some of our interviewers have seen candidates start out the interview being completely unable to answer the most basic questions about a programming language, only to flip around a few moments later and give almost encyclopaedic answers, with release dates for specific feature and comment on implementation details. One minute you can't do array slicing and now you're able to talk about the inner workings of the garbage collector?

We're trying to be fair in hiring, every resume is manually read, interviews a conversations, there are no leet code, no tricks, no AI screening, but they are done remote and so far two out of three candidate clearly cheat, during a live interview, to cover up an impressive lack of general knowledge.

Re: Ask HN: What is interviewing like now with everyone using AI?

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PREFACE: LONG RANT

I dont know but Ill always remember the funniest thing I noticed once during my career in England..

A company called tripadvisor based in a very very small town where I was at the time a senior dev, working on my own things, had never reached out. yet I saw their ads and finally an actual article in a newspaper, basically where they were bragging about their latest hire. Let call him Pablo, who had apparently aced every single technical interview question, and so they had hired him, after interviewing tens of people. They were so happy with their hire, the article had been based on him and the "curiosity" that they were the first company to have hired him after he had failed I think it was something like 50 interviews.

Obviously they couldn't believe how lucky they were to have finally found someone who could have completed all the technical tests perfectly.

Now I have nothing against Pablo, and rooted for when when I read the article. But I found it hilarious, and still do almost a decade later, that this top tier company, based in a university town with perhaps the most famous university, had not realised they had simply over fitted for someone who could answer their leetcode selection perfectly. Not only not realised this but then commissioned the article.

Eventually they reached out for an interview with me where the recruiter promised there was no test for me, then I was "surprised by one" in a room with a manager who hadnt had time to read my expection ( which is fine ), but when he walked in and saw I hadn't done it I was "walked out". The whole interview having taken less than about 10 minutes, when I was the most qualified senior developer for hundreds of miles who was available at the time. No Im honestly not tryign to brag Im just saying the town was so small there just couldnt have been more during that short time period I was available.

I know this reads bitter,( my life is great now ) , I just remember it because, my point was at the time I was at my peak, and would have accepted the job if offered, but I was walked out within 10 mins.

Honestly just sharing this insight, the moral of the story I think for me is companies never were great hiring and well if anything the advent of LLMs might actually improve as LLMs start to assess people based on their profiles and work? One can hope, I dont, I want an edge in this market with my company.

Re: Ask HN: What is interviewing like now with everyone using AI?

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The last time I've used a leet code style interview was in 2012, and it resulted in a bad hire (who just happened to have trained on the questions we used). I've hired something like 150 developers so far, and what I ended up with after a few years of trial and error: 1. Use recruiters and network: Wading through the sheer volume of applications was even nasty before COVID, I don't even want to imagine what it's like…

When I was interviewing candidates at IBM, I came up with a process I was really happy with. It started with a coding challenge involving several public APIs, in fact the same coding challenge that was given to me when I interviewed there. What I added: 1. Instead of asking "do you have any questions for me?" at the very end, we started with that general discussion. 2. A few days ahead, I emailed the candidate the pr…

(3) is biasing the process strongly in favour of people who spin a good story. If you're looking for a certain team culture then OK but this is going to neatly screen out anyone who just wants to do their job well and doesn't particularly know how to sell the extra-curriculars they have.

Re: Ask HN: What is interviewing like now with everyone using AI?

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My company, a very very large company, is transitioning back to only in-person interviews due to the rampant amount of cheating happening during interviews. As an interviewer, it's wild to me how many candidates think they can get away with it, when you can very obviously hear them typing, then watching their eyes move as they read an answer from another screen. And the majority of the time the answer is incorrect an…

I second this. My previous company started in-person interview for this very reason.

Re: Ask HN: What is interviewing like now with everyone using AI?

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There is nothing fraudulent about using LLMs. If people can use them on the job, it's okay to use them on the interview. They're the calculators of tomorrow if not of today. Interviewing just needs to adapt such as by assessing one's open source projects and contributions. Not much more is needed. And if the candidate completely misrepresents their open source profile, this can be handled by an initial contract-to-hi…

> There is nothing fraudulent about using LLMs. There is if you’re asked not to.

Negative. They are not the law.

Re: Ask HN: What is interviewing like now with everyone using AI?

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I don't understand why an interviewer would ban the use of AI if they are allowed to use AI in the role. The interview is a chance to see how a candidate performs in a work like environment. Let them use the tools they will use on the job and see how well they can perform. Even for verbal interviews, if they are using ChatGPT on the side and can manage the conversation satisfactorily then more power to them.

What if their lack of knowledge runs so deep that you question if their even able to prompt the AI without step by step instructions?

There's nothing wrong with a candidate going "Normally I'd prompt ChatGPT and get a skeleton project going" or saying "Look, I don't run around with the entire standard library in my head. I look that stuff up and sometimes that's with an LLM". The problem is when they can't go through the steps of solving a program, without the AI. I don't care about the details, or if you ask Copilot to do the API query code, because you don't want to write the error handling, that actually fairly reasonable, but if you can't prompt it to add the logic for a HTTP 403 then what's the point? In that case I'd rather hire someone who takes longer, but who knows that the 403 should probably redirect an unauthenticated user to the login page.

Re: Ask HN: What is interviewing like now with everyone using AI?

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Now imagine working on a 10+ years old codebase that 100s of developer hands have gone over. And several dependencies not being possible to even run locally because of being so out of date. Why work on that in the first place? Sometimes it pays really well.

I would absolutely not be comfortable trusting current AI to work on this sort of codebase and make meaningful improvements

Not AI, but we were talking about a debugger specifically.
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