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Re: Ask HN: Please restrict new accounts from posting

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Post by realaaa »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #266

Reddit has tried this approach and, IMO, it's failed. A new human user will spend actual time creating a thoughtful and helpful post, only to be greeted by "sorry, your post has been removed by automod because you don't meet criteria". They get disheartened and walk away forever. The spammers, on the other hand, know how the rules work and so will just build their bots to work around this (waiting 30days, farming kar…

100% agreed on this

this is the reason I never was keen on StackOverflow etc

tried posting there several times, many times actually - every time some annoying condition was not met

well screw you too then! walked away and never bothered to contribute again

Re: Ask HN: Please restrict new accounts from posting

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Post by throwaway2037 »

bergheim wrote: post #493
Terretta wrote: post #387

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Interesting litmus test, as the post isn't just green, it's riddled with LLM copyediting. Doesn't read as if originally composed by an LLM, so there's that. Would seem to require some discernment to classify. Not all assistive use is slop.

Some litmus test. I am sooo tired of statements like "No x. No y. No z." and then optionally "Just Foo.". Who aside from Fred fucking Durst writes like that? Ugh... Clearly llm generated. This is how internet has become. 90% of posts are variations of tropes like these.

    > I am sooo tired of statements like "No x. No y. No z." and then optionally "Just Foo.".  Who aside from Fred fucking Durst writes like that?
I disagree. This is a classic humor template in popular magazines from the 1990s and 2000s. The New Yorker's "Talk of the Town" probably has/had this style frequently. Also, (Timothy) McSweeney's Quarterly Concern is basically an extended trope of exactly this type of writing from 1990s and 2000s.

Re: Ask HN: Please restrict new accounts from posting

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Post by throwaway2037 »

dang wrote: post #347
magicalhippo wrote: post #149

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The problem is that we might lose some gold. Not too seldom have I seen the author or a significant party of a story chime in through a fresh green account, as they were alerted by the story being posted here one way or another. And usually when they do it's very interesting. As such I would find it detrimental if they had to jump through too many hoops so they don't bother or it takes too long so the thread dies bef…

Indeed. Here is a recent litmus test: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47051852 . How can we filter the lightweight stuff while still benefiting from posts like these? (a bit more about this at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47056384 , with a reply from the OP)

Sorry, I need to ask the dumb question: Is that Show HN (AsteroidOS) post written by an LLM or not? Honestly, I cannot tell.

A few people in these comments seem wildly confident that it is written by an LLM. If anything, I hope it was written by a human as an elaborate troll to trigger these so-called immaculate LLM detectors.

Re: Ask HN: Please restrict new accounts from posting

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Post by rl3 »

valeena wrote: post #513
rl3 wrote: post #430

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> How can we filter the lightweight stuff while still benefiting from posts like these? Well, the simplest automated method would be to run the post and comment together through an LLM with a prompt that's roughly: "Is this person claiming to be the author or co-creator of the work discussed in this submission?" Only green accounts subject to it. I predict you'd probably have a very low false positive and false negat…

I can't wait to watch this movie. I'm already sold by plot!

Tentative working title is:

McDang II: You Have the Right to Remain Shadowbanned

Re: Ask HN: Please restrict new accounts from posting

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Post by throwaway2037 »

i_think_so wrote: post #467
throwaway2037 wrote: post #411

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When I read comments like this, I think about the average Joe who says: "Most people are terrible drivers." Then, someone asks them: "Are you a terrible driver?" They respond: "Of course not. I am an excellent driver." A few people roll their eyes. > worthy of an instant ban First, it is not always possible to identify an LLM-generated comment. There are too many false-positives. Imagine if this system was implemente…

Maybe we need a reverse Turing test and award -- humans write things that are indistinguishable from AI slop. I have no idea what that could be useful for, but since the Turing test is now essentially beaten maybe its usefulness has come and gone too. > Imagine if this system was implemented, and one of your comments was identified as LLM-generated and you were instantly banned. How would you feel about it? It sounds…

Another thing that I have raised multiple times on HN: I had a roommate a few years ago that was a non-native English speaker doing research as a post-doc. He would use ChatGPT to improve his writing in scientific papers. He was producing the first draft, then would discuss with ChatGPT about how to improve the grammar. At the time, I thought it was genius. He said it acted like an English tutor for him. When you see the reactionary anti-LLM comments on HN, never once do they mention LLM-assisted -- only all human or all LLM.

Re: Ask HN: Please restrict new accounts from posting

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Post by throwaway2037 »

vova_hn2 wrote: post #479
throwaway2037 wrote: post #402

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I didn't know anybody here before I joined. (I have been here for a few years, and I still don't know anybody here.) How would a person like me get invited or vouched?

Ask you IRL friends or colleagues from your job "hey, do you happen to have an HN account?" If the discussion is related to a public project, like in the examples in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47303604 ...you can use existing communication channels (website, readme on github) to ask people for an invite to participate in it.

I am pretty sure that none of my friends nor co-workers read HN. Whenever I have shared stuff, none of them have heard of HN.
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