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Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#521

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Claiming 1Password has declined is unfair at best. They release a steady stream of updates, and when I discovered a UX issue earlier this year their team were on it like a rash.

Yea I don't understand all the recent hate over their new version. I installed the new version on my devices, and while the keyboard shortcuts seemed to change, once I looked them up it worked better than before. I just use the cmd+ shift+space shortcut for everything now.

There are many, many, many issues raised on their support forum with regards to their new version. All of them are ignored.

The most glaring one: search. Which is verifiably worse UX now.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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I haven't seen any improvement in Spotify in years. Still can't organise songs in any meaningful way, can't rate songs, playlists suck, shuffle is broken, and they keep pushing podcast content when I never listen to podcasts. 1Password also used to sync to Dropbox for free and even had an HTML version that could serve from Dropbox.

Spotify still hasn't reached feature parity with Spotify when it first came out. Only recently did something as basic as lyrics return. It's still not extensible like it once was.

> Only recently did something as basic as lyrics return.

Unfortunately, something as basic as lyrics is rife with legal challenges, and you can't just slap it onto an app.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#523

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You've mixed subscription based services (Google storage space) and content (Spotify) with subscription based software. For services, it might make sense. Even so, what exactly is "getting better all the time" about Spotify the software? It's been the same for like 5 years now. As for the rest: 1Password declined (turned to Electron shit), Creative Cloud keeps adding bloat while not adressing decades standing issues,…

Spotify doesn’t need to “get better” - you’re paying the fee for streaming rights to an ever-growing content library. Same with Netflix, etc. There’s also an unspoken but important accounting detail here - if you run an online software business and offer a one-time, lifetime purchase for your product, you are now contractually on the hook to provide that service to customers forever, even if your business stops growi…

Not really, support for software, especially games are discontinued publicly all the time.

The real rule is not pissing off your customer base by taking important services offline while they still use that particular product. Doing so would be a PR blunder, and obviously effect sales of future products.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#524
I don't mind newspapers being a subscription, because every day they have to do a lot of work to come up with a new version.

However, I find subscriptions super annoying for things that already exist in its entirety and doesn't cost the service provider anything to give more of.

Something I find unacceptable is the subscription situation coming up in the car industry:

Some examples include:

* BMW heated seat subscription [1]. The entire hardware for the heated seats is already in the car!

* Mercedes horsepower subscription [2]. Again, the entire capability is in the car. It's not like Mercedes sends the souls of horses OTA into your car after you subscribe.

Other manufacturers are also guilty here.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscription...

[2] https://www.kbb.com/car-news/mercedes-launches-rent-a-horsep...

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#525
Yes. Handing control of my life to 3rd parties has almost always resulted in me getting screwed. Product pricing changes, companies shut down, features removed, etc. If I spend my money on something, I want to enjoy as permanent of an upgrade to my quality of life as possible. I don't want to constantly have to balance an ever-growing list of subscriptions, either.

For example, I used Fusion 360 for a few years under their hobbyist license. Then they started pulling the rug out: limited number of projects allowed, then they disabled local simulation features (forcing you to use paid cloud tokens, even though my local computer was often faster to run the simulation). I won't begrudge them asking for money. I did, however, realize that they can change the deal anytime they want, and thus my built up skills were at the mercy of Autodesk. So I dropped Fusion and learned FreeCAD (of which I am a paying supporter), OpenSCAD, and other open source tools. Those are much less polished, but I can all but guarantee that I'll be able to use those products until I'm past any need for software.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#526
Have pointed out for a while that I:

1. want to pay to keep companies in business

2. unless one can offer me a reasonably priced "all you want from almost everywhere" like Spotify or Apple Music (and even they are just barely good enough for the price), I want to pay by tokens instead of by month.

Exceptions exist: service contracts is a place where I can accept to pay happily monthly for a number of incidents even if 90-something of them aren't used.

I also understand very well that storage has a price even if I forget it.

That said, for us who (tjknk we) remember Microsoft Office from before it became a SaaS I think it went something like this:

You buy Microsoft office x at a crazy price.

Shortly after someone else gets Microsoft Office version y and you start getting documents you can't open.

At some point you give up trying to tell people to use the old format and you pay 25-75% of the original crazy price to upgrade.

And so it goes on.

Jetbrains is one of a few companies that has made a reasonable deal for users in this regard: you get to keep forever the last version you have paid 12 months for. Could probably be improved to 6 months, but compared to everyone else I can think of it is a different league.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#527

Not really, because I saw too many software companies go out of business because not enough people wound up upgrading to the next major version -- the ownership model of software can be awfully feast-or-famine for developers' income, it's a very tough/risky business model. Generally speaking, I'm happy to pay a subscription because this way I get a steady stream of all the updates, and it's much more likely the compa…

You are contradicting yourself.

You cannot have it both be cheaper and have the developers earn more money.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#528
I do, but also if you are willing to do the work, a lot of these can be self hosted. Password manager? KeepassXC. Note taking? Obsidian and markdown (or whatever and markdown) + syncthing. Image editor? Paint.net or DarkTable. Office suite? LibreOffice.

I am pissed to be asked to pay a subscription for something that is one and done. Apps you install on your phone and are purely local for example. The most egregious example is the shift of the car industry to that model.

I am fine when it requires them to operate a service, though I prefer self hosting because I don't trust companies with my data.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#529

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I tried Kagi for a couple of weeks and the results were painfully inferior to Google's. I was really hoping they'd be good.

Funny, I've had the exact opposite experience, in most cases. It definitely depends on the query, but Kagi seems to do better at common (for me) queries. In particular, it tends to recommend authoritative sources instead of clickbait/SEO sources (e.g. official documentation instead of w3schools). Google does better at some queries, particularly those that require a bit of parsing of the query text, understanding when…

I like Kagi a great deal! My first attempt to leave Google was DDG, and I found myself mostly using bangs to search Google. I do not do that with Kagi. I actually use their search results!

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#530

Yes, and the only practical answer is to consider how many of these subscriptions you actually need. For instance, I see no reason why a password manager should be a SaaS. I don't care how long these companies have been around thusfar; in my opinion, using a password manager as-a-service is asking for trouble and is a waste of money. The closer you approach "perfect" security, the more of your personal security you e…

> No, they're not as good as Adobe software, but maybe that's less important to you than not paying Adobe.

On the Mac at least, some of the alternatives to Adobe are better for the vast majority of users and aren't on a subscription model.

For example, Affinity has a universal license for $99 where you own Publisher, Designer and Photo for macOS, Windows and iPadOS. This is like being able to buy Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign from Adobe without a subscription [1]:

    Experience the full power of Version 2 of Affinity apps with the
    Universal License. For just one discounted payment, you can get the
    ENTIRE Affinity suite (including Publisher for iPad!) on all your
    devices, across macOS, Windows and iPadOS.
    
If you only need one app and not the entire suite, you can do that.

Acorn [2] is a great image editor for macOS that takes much better advantage of the Mac platform than anything Adobe has recently put out. Unlike Adobe, this indie developer doesn't have to make a UI/UX experience that both works on macOS and Windows. It can do much of what other image editors can do, in addition to being programable with AppleScript or JavaScript. The UI is much easier to use than most other mid to high level image editors.

I've been a customer for years because the support is great and the upgrades have always been reasonably priced. A license for Acorn is $40.

OmniGroup provides the best of both worlds with all of its macOS, iOS and iPadOS software: you can purchase a license, pay a monthly subscription or add a web subscription [3].

[1]: https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/

[2]: https://flyingmeat.com/acorn/

[3]: https://support.omnigroup.com/buying-mac-apps/

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