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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone else been unemployed for over two years?

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post #350

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Their comment about Canada's trade prospects are very telling. They are trying to spin a false narrative (surprise surprise).

In your opinion, what is false about it? Canada's growth segment in exports was minerals and tourism services. That's Canada's situation, unfortunately.

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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone else been unemployed for over two years?

#512
post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their comment about Canada's trade prospects are very telling. They are trying to spin a false narrative (surprise surprise).

In your opinion, what is false about it? Canada's growth segment in exports was minerals and tourism services. That's Canada's situation, unfortunately.

"Non-inflation-adjusted tourist dollars spent" was an odd metric to choose.

The number of international arrivals is down YTD (-3%): https://www.trade.gov/i-94-arrivals-program

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone else been unemployed for over two years?

#513
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Lost my job in early 2023. Couldn't find anything (25 years of exp, director of engineering managerial/technical type, great at what i do by past coworkers/bosses admission). By EOY I had to sell my house, figured I could use the (significant) profits to buy time or I could travel and make the time a little more enjoyable, so I set out to explore most of Europe thinking, well I'll for sure find a job before I run out…

After that much if you're as skilled add you think you should be finding an interview coach and someone to edit your CV. Have you asked past bosses, co-workers for referrals?

> Have you asked past bosses…

I am not the original commenter but I think something that younger people forget is that when you reach 2 decades or more into your career, your network starts to dry up for you. This is in addition to your skillsets and work cultural fit being suspect because of your experience and age (set in their ways, old thinking, etc…).

I have been in tech for nearly 40 years. Almost every one of my former bosses is either out of the industry, retired, or dead. My network is useless to me. If my current job ends…I won’t find another tech gig.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone else been unemployed for over two years?

#514

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That's some real stupid thinking. At its most basic, this is a cult of qualification which no longer provides real value, it fails for a number of reasons I won't get into here. When you disqualify arbitrarily, and can't find anyone because of that, its your fault for disqualifying everyone, not the market's fault for not having the ballerina that doesn't exist. Want a programmer in a language thats only 10 years old…

The point is that when you have 100 Resumes to sort through for 1 role, you will have to use process of elimination. In 2025, with AI/scams/bots/moonlighters, Linkedin Profile is a good way to sort through. I am not saying having Linkedin is the only thing that matters but when there is so much noise, you need to stand out especially as a real human.

Sure, there is naturally a sieving process in any hiring, and the issue of AI/scams/bots is simple to solve because it was solved before AI was around before people got lazy. Fraud and misrepresentation isn't a new thing or even "being unsolve-able except in just one way, your chosen route".

The answer is simple...

Require that they come in and show up physically to the office to verify their CV/application/Driver's License, and at that time since there will be cost on the business side, also cross-check if they fit other open positions you have, or if they are interested in hearing about other positions (the answer will almost certainly be yes). Rapidly promoting from within naturally bubbles the competent to positions without a lot of external risk like what you've described.

This is how you build a resilient pipeline of talent, and vet the soft skills people who would be good at the job that you'll never find through an interview except by moonshot chance. When you structure it from the get-go to exclude excessively and use bad indicators, you have bad data in and get bad outcomes out.

> LinkedIn Profile is a good way to sort through.

Its not, there are plenty of fake LinkedIn Profiles. You can't stand out as a real human when you have pigeonholed everyone into a circular peg and set the sieve requirements to a square peg. Forcing people to all go through a online centralized portal, even when they show up in person, is what promotes these perverse incentives. Not rocket science.

As a business you can do a lot to solve problems, and there's no way you can stand out as a human among the noise of digital artifacts where bots mimic real humans in the same digital environment. Go physical.

I've friends who are executives that do hiring, their main complaints were we've tried to hire people for X positions, and our top 10 candidates were all fake, we spent months on this with numerous interviews (cost) and have to start all over from scratch.

I pointed out the answer is rather stupid simple. Go old school verify the inputs are real at the beginning of the process, not at the end after you sunk all those costs. That's what they've been doing since then and it works.

Finding the right talent is a cost you have to pay that you can't push off on other businesses through use of products or services where that business may lie/misrepresent because each business is different, and if you depend upon that one pipeline for talent they can and will eventually cause issues where you can't find talent.

The attitude you seem to have mirrors the same things I see in people who simply don't want to pay the cost to get competent people, and by extension don't want to actually be in business.

Also, conditions worsen when you spoil an entire labor pool over decades through bad management in consolidated hands, it gets harder and costlier to find qualified labor. Its the nature of ponzi; costs go up unti outflows exceed inflows.

If you don't get ahead of the labor crunch, it will crush you, and most competent people given the adverse circumstances in hiring are now retraining resulting in brain-drain, a hollowing out and watering down of the competency in the labor pool. What happens when you can't find qualified people at any cost because your practices drove them to other sectors. They won't come back because they wrote it off as a bad investment. Its psychologically sticky.

People always have a choice, even when others try to make it so they don't.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone else been unemployed for over two years?

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Im’ve helped a german immigrant find work before he lost is visa for working/studying due to job loss. Applied 400+ times within 6 months. No results. Then, we iterated in 2 session across 2 weeks. He did 60 applications after that and got a few interviews and finally laded a job 3 weeks later.

Listen and follow carefully:

(1) Fill the current gap in your CV with “Job Sabbatical”, make it span up to now. Else people will be put off by the fact you didn’t find work.

(2) Id you want, send me your CV and I’ll audit. 30% of cases people focus on the wrong stuff, 50% they don’t sell it well (presentation, communication, annecdotes) and the other 20% is not sticking to cultural norms / non-CV related stuff

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone else been unemployed for over two years?

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It's a bit vindicating seeing the volume of responses to this. It's possible this is a biased sample and not representative of the majority, but it's nice to know I'm not alone and at least 1 other has experienced exactly what I have. I was always made to feel fundamentally broken, and I wondered if I was really that terrible. I had no clue why I was treated with such malice and made to feel so unwanted. Adding my st…

It's easy see from your articulation, your conveying thoughts across a long arc you are the real deal. Just from reading your writing I'd put you high on my list.

Keep your head up! What you’re up against isn’t a reflection of your worth but the state of things right now. That doesn't make the situation any better but it does mean it’s not a judgment against you and hopefully knowing that makes it easier to keep your head up high!

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone else been unemployed for over two years?

#517
post #326

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> Go back to my home country where I probably could retire now May want to consider that things won’t stay the same price for 40 years?

If the money is invested, it should be fine.

This. If the money is invested it should about follow inflation.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone else been unemployed for over two years?

#518

I've been unemployed for almost three years. It's somewhat intentional - at least leaving my last job was and I've been dragging my feet. Hopefully will have a job in upper management at the start of next year if things work out. Coping by trying my best to become the type of person that I aspire to be. Quit weed, alcohol, caffeine. Lost 20lbs of fat and put on some muscle. Run 6 days a week, lift 3-4 days a week. Me…

> wish I felt more "accomplished" in how I used my time. Idk man I think a lot of people here would be proud to have knocked off even one of those things on that list. The lifestyle changes alone are huge accomplishments. I also wouldn’t downplay the significance of spending a little time doing nothing. Probably added some years to your life

This a thousand times! I've taken some years off work, but never three in a row: I don't think I'd manage it as well as you did.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone else been unemployed for over two years?

#519
Was laid off in 2001 during the dotcom bust. Was self-unemployed buying and selling used docking stations and power adapters until 2007 when I aced a job interview for a small start up after mostly giving up the job search. Six months at the startup gave me experience in an in-demand tech stack that landed me a job at a large tech company that saw me through to retirement 10 years later. If I had it to do over right now I would be creating something with AI as my own business - probably not very lucrative but good experience that might get you hired someplace.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone else been unemployed for over two years?

#520

I've been unemployed for about 1 year now. I was in SF working in tech for about 7 years, and decided I don't want to do that anymore, so I quit. It's been tough. The hardest part about being unemployed is it is very hard to structure your days because work is no longer the thing that is forcing you to get up, get out, go to bed on time, etc. It's also a strange feeling having to spend from your savings/emergency fun…

> The hardest part about being unemployed is it is very hard to structure your days

Best thing I’ve found for structure is renting a desk in a coworking space

Cheapest are taking a walk at the same time and putting on “work” clothing

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