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Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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“For what it’s worth: it’s never too late or, in my case, too early to be whoever you want to be. There’s no time limit, stop whenever you want. You can change or stay the same, there are no rules to this thing. We can make the best or the worst of it. I hope you make the best of it. And I hope you see things that startle you. I hope you feel things you never felt before. I hope you meet people with a different point of view. I hope you live a life you’re proud of. If you find that you’re not, I hope you have the courage to start all over again.”

― Francis Scott Fitzgerald

Whenever I'm in a rut I just recall this quote and force myself to take a first step in a different direction. A lot of change is momentum based. You just have to start moving.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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I'm 46, just recently got my self out of homelessness and addiction. Been clean and sober since June. I've been studying programming/webDev for the past year (since my last release from prison) with the hope of making something of myself other than being a 46 yr old ex heroin addict, ex con, etc. Looks dim for me, oh well. I'm in a similar situation as you (regarding depression. Esp. concerning certain thoughts of ca…

> just recently got my self out of homelessness and addiction

That's huge! Congratulations, you should feel proud of making a positive change like that. Many, many people do not recover and don't make it. Many of them don't _want_ to.

Life is largely dictated by our pesky brain and how we view the world. 46 isn't _that_ old, you still have a ton of life ahead and if you view it from the lens of breaking free from your own personal prison, finally getting the opportunity to experience the fresh air of tranquility, you might just realize the future is indeed bright and not dim.

Good luck friend.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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There are magic bullets. But I feel a few months ago as if I stumbled upon one: My regular sports team (ultimate frisbee) disbanded after the pandemic, so I found myself without any physical exercise. I thought I probably should go to the gym but realised I wasn't going to do it after work, and neither before breakfast. Also, I am 34 and have never visited a gym before in my life. Then I found a gym across my office…

You sound like Joe Rogan: you have a problem, just workout man. It's not bad advice imo, just doesn't apply to everyone the same way.

It does seem that it applies to everyone in _some_ way, at least.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Find one specializing in CBT, or similar forms of therapy shown to be effective (3rd-wave CBT such as MCT). You can also just pick up a CBT workbook and do the exercises yourself. The only advantage a therapist has over this is "talking it out" - you should be capable of recognizing and correcting distorted negative thinking with a therapist guide / workbook. This is why online therapy has been growing in popularity,…

I know what CBT is (well, I mean, I've heard term) but what is MCT? Also, I would say that a (good) therapist is quite like a (good) coach/personal trainer - someone who keeps you accountable and committed to a course of treatment/training. Many people could probably do these things by themselves, but many others struggle to keep it up for one reason or other. As an analogue I had a couple of very bad PTs and then we…

> MCT

Metacognitive Therapy. Effectively, when dealing with persistent unwanted thoughts, it teaches you to let them pass without judgement / evoking response, and to divert your attention elsewhere. I find that this complements CBT well if one has already done the work of recognizing that some thoughts are unrealistic distortions. Proponents of MCT seem to bash CBT needlessly; they needn't be mutually exclusive, and at any rate, evidence suggests that CBT is generally effective (and there's a much larger body of it than for MCT).

> someone who keeps you accountable and committed to a course of treatment/training. Many people could probably do these things by themselves, but many others struggle to keep it up for one reason or other.

It depends on preference and self-efficacy, notwithstanding that intrinsic motivation is necessary whichever way. However, most people don't seem to realize that self-administration is an option, and walk away from the prospect of therapy entirely if they deem it too costly.

The other problem is, as with personal trainers, whether you'll have a good one is a roll of the dice. Trainers have a perverse incentive to divert people to use machines and away from compound movement exercises like deadlifts. Similarly, many therapists don't offer much insight or homework. And all the while you can leverage the most powerful approaches by yourself at zero cost.

Seeing a pro is still a decent heuristic, most people will want to avoid the labor of doing research which can be daunting, tiresome, and is a skill in itself. Pressing the "just tell me what to do, here's money" button is arguably more optimal depending on the circumstances.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#517
I basically didn't secure reliable, gainful employment until age 40. Prior to that I had, depending on how you count, two or three false starts at a career. But, I had become a hobbyist programmer in my early 30's. Briefly, in my late 30's I took a job as a software tester, but stayed only 9 months to give one last try at the career I was hoping for. When that didn't pan out and I finally had to rule it out, I returned to my software tester job. I was at the time a few months shy of my 41st birthday.

I stayed there 6 years, doing a tiny bit of programming professionally, and continuing to learn about programming as a hobbyist. I think I was 46 or 47 when I got my first programming job. I'm on my third now, and I'm 55.

I have been bitter, angry, and disillusioned—just like you. The only thing that helps is committing to something that will move you forward. Best of luck to you!

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#518
I know how you feel because I believe that I've been through the same amount of hardship. First of all, you're not alone, so get help. Second of all, you can learn to use the emotions you feel and use them to your benefit. It's possible to transmute these by using the energy and redirect it onto what you'd like to achieve. This can be a extremely powerful catalyst. Try it. What you focus on will create the momentum and goal you move towards. Focus on what you want or where you want to be.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#519
I'm feeling this way at 36 and a 12 year career failing up with startups and VC finally catching up me. I'm broke and living at my parents house trying to rebuild while fielding lots of "I told you so" outbursts from family. It's weird how your investors will care less about failed investments than your own family does haha.

Anyway, how do broke Founders afford therapy?

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have to be honest, none of those are particularly convincing, and spamming a bunch of disconnected quotes from a Wikipedia page isn’t a great argument It was not an argument. It was an answer to the parent poster which requested a citation. Which is why I gave him citations. And if such a large list of citations from many experts in the fields of psychology, psychiatry, philosophy, history, cognitive science, etc…

I would be much more convinced by a modern meta analysis The problem is that I’m a physicist so I see a wiki page with a bunch of quotes from people of all disciplines including a physicist who was famously a huge sceptic of psychiatry and I think of all the physics pages that have all these “opinions” that are wrong Very few of those quotes mention evidence of outcomes of psychoanalysis but only mention very specifi…

> I would be much more convinced by a modern meta analysis

There are many modern meta analysis assessing the (in)efficacy of psychoanalysis and comparing it to other approaches, such as cognitive behavioral therapy (which is the gold standard nowadays) and other approaches, which back my arguments.

I am not really interested in going more deeply about this, but I encourage you to research it, if you are interested. There is a lot of research about this.

And by the way, I am sure that you can also find meta analysis which will tell you that psychoanalysis works. This does not mean that it is necessarily true (or at least, not for the reasons that people think it is true), for various reasons, some of which I'm sure you can deduce.

The problems with psychoanalysis are not just about its (substandard) efficacy. There are many other troubling issues with this practice.

This is why it is important to follow a field of study and what current scientists, field practicioners/experts and academics know (from various disciplines and fields of study, in order to get a consensus as best as possible), and not just read some isolated meta analysis and extrapolate conclusions from it.

> I think you’re jumping the gun a bit.

I think what I'm talking about is pretty well established at this point, it's not news for someone who works in this field.

I suggest you do more research before arguing about a field you don't seem knowledgeable about.

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