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Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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So... Pave shouldn't exists as "Glassdoor exists" and is already providing data?

Eh? Glassdoor is for the other party, which you were implying was being kept in the dark.

If Glassdoor data are sufficient, why would employers pay for Pave?

It's not like Glassdoor is restricted to employees, they even offer specific services to employers.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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I hate the argument of "you cannot be a competitive company without being a scumbag." It's a bad argument through and through.

Perhaps you would find it to be more palatable if it were phrased as: "You cannot be competitive as a company if you do not serve the wants and needs of the customer."? But, of course, that says the same thing. These companies are scumbags because that's how the customer wants them to behave. In this case, because it makes executing payroll cheaper for the customer, which is a highly desirable trait to the customer.

The customer often does not have the luxury of making perfectly rational choices.

IBM for example waits to fly you out to orientation in Armonk before they show you the binding employment contract with dubious clauses.

These businesspeople know this. Introducing pressure and a sense of inevitability of poor conditions is part of the game. And they know that it's scummy. But Ayn Randians will defend them to the grave as they eschew the responsibility to build a stable enduring economy for one that disproportionately rewards them.

Framing it as the customer wants this level of strongarming is the same as saying they want bloody revolution when it inevitably follows. What customers actually want is for scumbags to be banned from leadership roles in the economy, and for toxic business strategies to be regulated out of relevance.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Uber is objectively worse for every single party involved. Driver makes less, customer pays more, Uber has to coordinate a huge system. Uber "won" because they cheated. They operated at a loss for almost 15 years, on the welfare of investors. Guess what, mom and pop running a taxi can't live on a negative wage.

I prefer Uber everywhere I go. Even if I pay more, I know it upfront. I have their safety in place, etc.

Okay. Objectively you're paying easily 2x more and, objectively, you're not safer in developed countries.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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I am an investor in equifax. Let me clear up a misconception on where the data comes from. Half the data comes from large enterprise customers, who “sell” the data in exchange for Equifax doing I-9 verification for free. The other half comes from 39 payroll companies. Every single payroll company except for Rippling and Gusto sell paystub data to Euifax. (Rippling will start next year). Those are exclusive revenue sh…

Do you have a sense of why, according to you Gusto will remain the only company that doesn't sell payroll data to Equifax?

This may not be correct. My current company uses Gusto for payroll. Pulling my data, I see everything. I am confirming with Gusto support its sourced from them.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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> I’ve never seen a worker walk away one an offer is made. I’ve personally walked away from several offers. It’s not uncommon to receive multiple offers at the same time and you can only accept one. So perhaps your offers have been excessively generous?

Or only the most desperate stumble through my door? But either way, it's pretty clear that the prevailing problem is finding people at all. Not just me, but most businesses have been struggling with the same problem. You can't tempt someone with more money if you have no way of communicating with them. Which goes back to the marketing problem. Absolutely there is a marketing problem, but publishing price data is exac…

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Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Wage fixing is when multiple companies agree to set wages at a certain amount. Sharing compensation data across companies doesn't necessarily mean wage fixing. Company A can use the compensation data from Company B to try and compete better for talent. Not saying thats what it will be used for, but it's technically not wage fixing.

> Wage fixing is when multiple companies agree to set wages at a certain amount. I am not an expert on wage fixing laws in the US, but I came across a class action on wage fixing a few days ago (Ron Brown et al v JBS USA Food Company et al) where part of what was aledged was the illegal exchange of salary data via surveys [1]. > The Red Meat Industry Compensation Survey conducted by WMS on behalf of the Defendant Pro…

>part of what was aledged was the illegal exchange of salary data via surveys

Alleged doesn't mean illegal. In this case this point never saw court; the sides settled.

And what this claimed to have happened is not what is happening here.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Do you have a sense of why, according to you Gusto will remain the only company that doesn't sell payroll data to Equifax?

This may not be correct. My current company uses Gusto for payroll. Pulling my data, I see everything. I am confirming with Gusto support its sourced from them.

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Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#508

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Do you have a sense of why, according to you Gusto will remain the only company that doesn't sell payroll data to Equifax?

This may not be correct. My current company uses Gusto for payroll. Pulling my data, I see everything. I am confirming with Gusto support its sourced from them.

Confirmed with Gusto. They send data to WorkNumber.

"...for the purpose of automating employment and income verifications. This feature helps streamline the process for employees who may need to provide proof of employment or income for loans, credit, or public aid."

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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post #189

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I am an investor in equifax. Let me clear up a misconception on where the data comes from. Half the data comes from large enterprise customers, who “sell” the data in exchange for Equifax doing I-9 verification for free. The other half comes from 39 payroll companies. Every single payroll company except for Rippling and Gusto sell paystub data to Euifax. (Rippling will start next year). Those are exclusive revenue sh…

Can I opt out thru the payroll company?

No, but you can opt out at the Aggregator level. Currently, The Work Number is the largest salary aggregator, you may find this link, helpful:

https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze

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