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Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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It's all about self control. My dad was an alcoholic and my sister is an alcoholic. I'm about to uncork a fresh bottle of cabernet, but I'm only going to have half a glass with my dinner. I never touch anything stronger than wine, and I rarely have more than one glass. I probably drink on average one glass every two days and sometimes less.

This is terrible advice. I’m sorry to be so harsh, especially here, where I know etiquette is important but this comment needs to be shut down. The dismissive suggestion that alcoholism can be cured simply by using “self-control” is toxic. Yes, self-control is PART of it, but to say that it’s “all about self-control” is damaging. There’s a reason the person is struggling to control their behavior. There are underlyin…

I have always looked at alcoholism as a behavior problem. After all, the alcoholic drinks and (usually) nobody is forcing them. I have seen the destruction it causes first hand. Some say that it takes will power to not drink, but will is required to drink as well. If you cannot control what you put into your body, then you should probably be declared a danger to yourself and locked up for a while.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#503
Are you drinking that 12 pack alone or with friends?

I made hard rules about drinking and generally I drink only a few times a year at this point:

1. Drink only with friends or trusted people. This can be at home or at a bar.

2. Do not drink alone inside the house, ever.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#504

Alcohol is a slow killer. Physical addiction takes about 10 years to form. First, it's barely noticeable. People think it's age, and "after 30 hangover lasts for 2 days". But that is not actually being hang over. It is the symptom of alcohol withdrawal. Mild one at first, but more severe as physical addiction settles in. Drinking 3-4 days a week seems like "okay". However, it basically means drinking whenever withdra…

I agree with this. One aspect of alcohol addiction that isn't as widely known as it could be is that there are some shared opiate addiction effects, related to the body's built-in endorphin system:

> "Alcohol exerts numerous pharmacological effects through its interaction with various neurotransmitters and neuromodulators. Among the latter, the endogenous opioids play a key role in the rewarding (addictive) properties of ethanol."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9040115/

Hence, being addicted to alcohol is comparable to being addicted to opiates (to some degree) and that seems to explain why withdrawal symptoms are fairly similar.

Psychologically, I think it helps one quit if you think of alcohol as comparable to laudanum use and old-school opium addiction. Junkie or alcoholic, it's not that great of a life.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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After reading "Why we sleep" (Matthew Walker) and "Spark" (John Ratey) I went from drinking a couple of times a week (some beers, sometimes a cocktail) to zero. Knowing the damage I was doing to myself, all the side effects and bad impact on my health (sleep, hearth, overall physical performance) literally stopped me from continuing with this. Moreover, in the same period the report the article "THE IMPACT OF ALCOHOL…

HN discussions 9 months ago:

No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30009529

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30009882

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#508
I wanted to undergo a medical treatment but it required me to stay off alcohol for the treatment duration. I wasn't sure if I could do it so I deferred it for a long time. Eventually I worked up the courage and did it for ~10 months.

I started buying 0 calorie fizzy water (Bubly) as my go-to replacement for alcohol. Opening up a can fulfilled part of my prior habit. Swapping one habit for a more healthy variant is one tip.

I was also held accountable by my doctor reviewing my monthly blood test. If I drank alcohol I assumed they would catch it. There are other people that you can ask to hold you accountable like this.

I'm not sure how to get over the self-hatred after a binge. In one respect I think it's healthy in a small dose. But if it's so large that you don't want to restart your sobriety then it's a problem.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#509

I've found it easy to stop a great deal of such behaviors by examining not what they promise to deliver, but what they actually brought. I.e. don't look forward, look backward when making decisions. Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets. Junk food promises a great time. Junk food delivers poor health and regrets. Going to the gym promises hardship and struggle. It delivers health. I'v…

Thank you for the list you provided! Good way of looking at it.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#510
I stopped drinking around 6 weeks ago. Due to my indolent WFH lifestyle and drinking heavily after work to "relax", I gradually developed back pain which eventually made it impossible to get to sleep.

Drinking myself into a stupor made it all to easy to sit, for hours on end, in front of a tv or computer, endlessly consuming while shirking my responsibilities to myself, not least of all exercise. I always knew that it was leading to a bad place, but it got to the point where I could not physically continue. That, and reducing inflammation were my primary motivators.

Being continuously sober for an extended period of time has revealed to me that there are likely other reasons for my misuse of alcohol, I think I've been dealing with low-level anxiety and procrastination, making it difficult to quiet my mind, go to bed on time, etc. Part of this is probably due to the effects of abruptly quitting a crutch I've leaned on for a long time, but my conscience is telling me that there's more beneath the surface which needs to be addressed.

I would say that the single biggest factor in keeping my roll going is this: I have admitted to myself that I do have a problem with alcohol, and that some people are just not capable of enjoying alcohol responsibly, and I am probably one of them.

The inner voice telling me "go on, it's normal to have one or two at the weekend, everyone does it" has been quieted, because I know that I am not one of those people who stop at one or two. And that is fine by me.

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