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Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

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I gave a presentation on "how to find a co-founder" several times. Guess what: by slide 2, I give away the answer: the best co-founder is someone you already worked with. Not helpful? That's the truth. Instead of trying to find a co-founder quickly, find a good contributor to your project. They may grow into becoming a co-founder over time, or they may "just" be your first employee. No one can really tell until time…

> ... the best co-founder is someone you already worked with. Not helpful? That's the truth. Not really. I started-up with a co-worker (of 2 years) and a guy whom I hadn't worked with before and guess who was the first to bring problems to the company and quit? The guy I previously worked with... Truth is you don't really know a person until you're both in a seriously f*ckd up situation. That's what my experience has…

I think what Alain is saying is you don't know how somebody is until you have worked a significant period of time with them, including stressful times where things went wrong (my own benchmark of whether someone is trustworthy is pretty much how they behave in such times - agreeing with your experience).

Going with a stranger might still be a good option if e.g. your previous company had bad quality staff, or if you were a business person and never had any contact with any technical people, but it's still akin to playing roulette.

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

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Maybe you're looking for me? If you're interested in becoming co-founder of a growing, cash-flow positive business in a giant market, please reach out. In short, Forkable is "Pandora for Lunch". AngelList profile: https://angel.co/forkable My email can be guessed from my first name, "Joe"

I absolutely love these "$EXISTING_BUSINESS for $TOTALLY_RANDOM_THING" startups, and this might just be my favourite. What does "Pandora for Lunch" even mean? Is it Pandora the streaming radio service or Pandora the jewellery company? Neither seems at all applicable to lunch!

Ha, I read that to mean streaming business meetings with strangers, to help you discover people outside your network and habits... it might be a cool solution to a problem I have, which is how to meet people who have a different worldview and background (one solution was just moving countries). A kind of anonymous Weave with recommendations...

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

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The idea that technical people are the only ones who can build something is one of the things that drives me away from most potential business cofounders. There are plenty of tools and free online resources that within a month or so, you should have the skills to hack some kind of prototype together in a reasonable amount of time. Lack of investigation into any of those opportunities signals to me that either a) the…

Wow! Where to start with this. Have you considered that some people with a head for business just might not grok programming? And vice-versa? Even if they do, have you considered that an amateurish prototype, that looks and acts like shit, might turn off some viable early-round potential partners? The second point is even more ridiculous. If you not only develop, but have business connections and seed money, why cour…

I have to agree with @crdb. The CEO of the company I work at has a sociology degree, but bought a book on PHP/MySQL because "nobody wanted to program my stupid ideas so I just had to figure it out." He created the MVP himself by using copy/pasta jQuery soup, in line SQL queries and GoDaddy hosted PHP. He was able to get 100,000 customers though and got a CTO on board to convert the MVP to something scaleable (which I'm working on now too).

The CEO doesn't code anymore, but I had huge respect that he learned enough to get the ball going.

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

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It's like asking if we can brainstorm on a better way to find a spouse. Do you really want to find a spouse quickly? Or would you be more comfortable marrying your high-school sweetheart? The YC folks will say founder breakups are the most common reason for start up failures. So what I'd want to see is a highly granular failure analysis of founder break ups. It's psychology, right? So something like the actual storie…

This list of 92 startup failures was recently shared on HN: http://autopsy.io/

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

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That article does little to justify the "X for Y" meme. The reason for it is that "X" is famous and successful already and people are trying to capitalise on that, and because a three word summary is pithy and easy to remember. As to your startup - Pandora is a streaming radio service which actually, you know, streams radio, as a service. Emailing lunch menus (or calendars, or whatever) is not as to lunch as streamin…

If you agree with the underlying premise that a good high concept pitch is essential to a startup, then those seem like pretty good reasons to adopt this sort of meme, at least if the comparison holds. Anyway, I'm surprised you don't see how this particular comparison holds. Pandora auto-suggests and delivers musical content over the course of a few hours or so. Forkable auto-suggests and delivers "nutritional conten…

Pandora delivers music that you can listen to; unless your startup delivers food that I can eat, I don't really see how the two are all that similar - unless you're suggesting people print out the emails and then eat them.

But hey, perhaps I'm too stupid for your startup (usually I just make a sandwich for lunch, so I'll probably cope either way!).

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

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post #10

>For me, I want to meet a CTO. You have to realize that it's harder for a "business" guy to attract a technical cofounder rather than for a programmer whiz to attract a business guy. It's definitely a handicap. The programmer can build something and that can jumpstart the cascade of people (including business people) to join the cause. As a non-tech person, what do you offer potential tech cofounders? If you give off…

I disagree. I've found in my experience it's far easier in theory for a business guy to attract a technology co-founder than the other way around. This insight isn't clear from the outside due to a) the existence of "business" guys who do no business and complain vocally and b) the existence of tech+some business guys who know enough business to get their product off the ground and then find a good business guy to ba…

you had me at step 3...lol.

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

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My approach is the following: 1. Learn to code 2. Build the prototype 3. Try to sell the prototype to verify the market 4. Bootstrap the business 5. Get the business going then people (co-founder, investor,etc...) will show up

customer discovery should probable come first. before you waste time building something talk to some people and see if they would pay for it. then, completely ignore everyone's advice and build it anyway. ;)

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you agree with the underlying premise that a good high concept pitch is essential to a startup, then those seem like pretty good reasons to adopt this sort of meme, at least if the comparison holds. Anyway, I'm surprised you don't see how this particular comparison holds. Pandora auto-suggests and delivers musical content over the course of a few hours or so. Forkable auto-suggests and delivers "nutritional conten…

Pandora delivers music that you can listen to; unless your startup delivers food that I can eat, I don't really see how the two are all that similar - unless you're suggesting people print out the emails and then eat them. But hey, perhaps I'm too stupid for your startup (usually I just make a sandwich for lunch, so I'll probably cope either way!).

I see the where confusion is coming from. We do in fact deliver the food. I stated that in the above comment. It's also in our AngelList profile and I alluded to it in my first response ("let the good food come"). You don't seem stupid to me. But perhaps you are reading too quickly?

The image of people printing out emails and eating them is pretty amusing, though. :)

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pandora delivers music that you can listen to; unless your startup delivers food that I can eat, I don't really see how the two are all that similar - unless you're suggesting people print out the emails and then eat them. But hey, perhaps I'm too stupid for your startup (usually I just make a sandwich for lunch, so I'll probably cope either way!).

I see the where confusion is coming from. We do in fact deliver the food. I stated that in the above comment. It's also in our AngelList profile and I alluded to it in my first response ("let the good food come"). You don't seem stupid to me. But perhaps you are reading too quickly? The image of people printing out emails and eating them is pretty amusing, though. :)

I've been known to print out the more objectionable emails from my clients and eat them...

OK, great, you deliver food. If your AngelList profile is your main publicly visible page at this point, you should - in my humble opinion - make it really clear what it is your service actually does: however slowly I read "we send you a calendar of lunches from awesome local restaurants", it doesn't suggest to me that you actually deliver food. The second paragraph does mention delivery. Make your copy accessible even to people who read quickly and don't care very much and you won't go far wrong (with your copy, anyway!).

Re: Ask HN: Can we brainstorm a better way to find a co-founder?

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post #49

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Wow! Where to start with this. Have you considered that some people with a head for business just might not grok programming? And vice-versa? Even if they do, have you considered that an amateurish prototype, that looks and acts like shit, might turn off some viable early-round potential partners? The second point is even more ridiculous. If you not only develop, but have business connections and seed money, why cour…

> Have you considered that some people with a head for business just might not grok programming? Bollocks to that. I was an FX trader who copy/pasted values for excel formula results because I was scared they'd go away if I typed something in another cell. It took a short while but I taught myself. Programming and technology are rational, a set of facts about the world that are inherently understandable at most level…

I get what you are saying but disagree with your original premise.

It is akin to saying, "It is silly for a programer to not already be a businessman (businesswoman) when seeking a partner, because there are books and websites online and in just a few days he ought to be able to get by in the business world".

It is nice for you that you made an MVP for yourself. Likewise it is nice that you have plenty of business contacts, etc.

However, my point is that it is absurd to think that just a few days of intense study will turn a programmer into an MBA or and MBA into a programmer.

People recognize this and that is why they seek people that are strong where they are weak. So together they are more than individually.

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