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Re: Ask HN: Which cloud do you use, and why?

#51

Post by obayesshelton »

lolive wrote: post #43
stadeschuldt wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DO is really nice. I use a little droplet myself and for the given price of 5-10 USD/month it is a great value. Once you want something more I wonder if there are better options. Take there 320 USD/month plan. You get 32GB memory, 12 CoreProcessor, 320GB SSD disk and 7TB transfer. If I take a fixed price server at Hetzner I get 128 GB memory, 12 CoreProcessors, 2x240 GB SSD disk and 50TB transfer. Even the smaller ma…

I +1 the dedicated server. 100£ for such a monster: http://www.soyoustart.com/en/offers/sys-ip-6-s.xml is really reasonable, imho.

Impressive :) thank you for that.

Re: Ask HN: Which cloud do you use, and why?

#52

Post by rsync »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #42
rsync wrote: post #30

I have provided my own cloud, in the form of a 1U server, since 1998. I run my (very tiny) website there as well as my own mailserver, and I read email over SSH using (al)pine. Backups offsite go to the obvious place :) This setup might not be that interesting, but I think it's worth noting that a cloud computing paradigm/model has functioned well for 16 years now with no significant changes. I have not had data on m…

I would love to do this, but handling the security of your own server to me seems labor intensive. How easy is it for you to manage keeping your server and data secure? I would really like to do this, but my fears of getting hacked have kept me from doing it.

Well, my system runs nothing but sendmail, lighttpd (with no modules or features) and sshd. That's it. So there's not much to lock down.

sshd is hidden behind port knocking, for what that's worth. (No, I do not want to have a religious argument about port knocking this morning)

The real key to the simplicity and security of my setup is email over SSH with a console client. Not only does that remove oceans of attack surface, but it also means you can read email without the emails themselves traversing the network. I guess the characters go over SSH, but that's not quite the same thing...

Re: Ask HN: Which cloud do you use, and why?

#53

Post by hashtree »

OVH, SoYouStart, and KimSufi with Dokku Alt (for quick apps) or custom Ansible/Docker deployments (for big apps). Since OVH created their North American DC I took the leap and have been very very happy. Knowing just how cheap the hardware/ops game is, I just can't bring myself to spend anything more than what these guys do:

  - $115/mn for a 64GB ECC, 3x Intel SSD, Xeon E51620v2, 500Mbps, etc
  - $50/mn for a 32GB ECC, Intel Xeon W3520, 4TB SATA
  - $15/mn for a 4GB RAM, Atom N2800, 1TB HDD
I scale differently as a result; huge gobs of RAM/SSD/CPU is easily within reach. For instance, I can use Redis Cluster as a primary data store with then op/s an order of magnitude higher than most might be used to.

Re: Ask HN: Which cloud do you use, and why?

#54

Post by triangleman »

brianwawok wrote: post #6

Digital Ocean - I only want to build off base Linux VM, I do not want to be locked into S3 + SQS + ... - Price is right for young startups - Speed is nice

akinder, it seems your account is "hellbanned" which means nobody can see your posts unless they are logged in and have showdead turned on.

(I'm sorry I have to clutter up the discussion with this, but it's the only way I can communicate this news to akinder)

Re: Ask HN: Which cloud do you use, and why?

#55

Post by shortstuffsushi »

icebraining wrote: post #48
shortstuffsushi wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't you potentially push that aspect elsewhere, into a data storage solution like S3 or something (not sure of the cost efficiency, not a huge cloud guy myself). Then you'd just be utilizing the DO server for processing. It would have the added benefit of allowing you to scale your crawling horizontally if you wanted, as all your servers could have access to the same set of data.

The traffic between datacenters would be significantly slower and more costly, though. Besides, S3 is not a replacement for a real drive.

It would be slower than on disk for sure, so if that's a concern, it wouldn't be a good choice. If the poster is just storing off results, pushing it to S3, or even potentially a document database could be a logical choice. They said they're just using it for occasionally re-parsing at a later date, so immediacy doesn't seem like a huge concern. Just a thought, at any rate.

Re: Ask HN: Which cloud do you use, and why?

#56

Post by [deleted] »

shortstuffsushi wrote: post #39
3pt14159 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wish there was a single VM that wasn't SSD backed. I write web crawlers sometimes and I usually only have to parse the HTML / JS once into JSON or SQL, but I like to keep the data backed up just in case I need to re-parse it later, or to see the changes between crawls. It's completely impossible for me to even fit it on their $640 / month box. But I love Digital Ocean for everything else.

Couldn't you potentially push that aspect elsewhere, into a data storage solution like S3 or something (not sure of the cost efficiency, not a huge cloud guy myself). Then you'd just be utilizing the DO server for processing. It would have the added benefit of allowing you to scale your crawling horizontally if you wanted, as all your servers could have access to the same set of data.

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Re: Ask HN: Which cloud do you use, and why?

#57

Post by DanBC »

triangleman wrote: post #54
brianwawok wrote: post #6

Digital Ocean - I only want to build off base Linux VM, I do not want to be locked into S3 + SQS + ... - Price is right for young startups - Speed is nice

akinder, it seems your account is "hellbanned" which means nobody can see your posts unless they are logged in and have showdead turned on. (I'm sorry I have to clutter up the discussion with this, but it's the only way I can communicate this news to akinder)

You should check people's comment history before you tell them about hellbanning.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8885392

etc etc.

Re: Ask HN: Which cloud do you use, and why?

#58

Post by smacktoward »

fraXis wrote: post #25
geori wrote: post #5

Rackspace - pricing and offerings are similar to AWS - they answer the phone when you have problems

Their support is first rate and the #1 reason I won't change to another provider. There is nothing better than opening a chat window and having someone who is knowledgeable respond and who can get the problem fixed right away. To me that is worth the premium I pay for using Rackspace over a service like Azure or AWS.

I've been a big Rackspace Cloud user and advocate here on HN and elsewhere for 6+ years now. This line of thinking was exactly why.

However, in the last year, my experience has been that the quality of support has collapsed. It used to be I could open a chat window and get a knowledgeable person who could fix my problem, but that's not the case anymore. Now I get someone who either doesn't understand what I'm saying or tells me they can't do anything to help unless I upgrade to their gold-plated, top-of-the-line support tier, which would push them from "somewhat more expensive" to "absurdly expensive." It's gotten so bad that I'm in the process of moving all my systems off their cloud at the moment. I can't in good conscience recommend them anymore.

It's all very disappointing, as quality support has been Rackspace's key differentiator forever. My guess is that they've decided to give up competing with AWS on the high end and Digital Ocean et al on the low end, and concentrate on selling into Fortune 500s who need basic VPS services and are willing to pay out the nose for them. But that leaves small shops like mine out in the cold, which is too bad.

Re: Ask HN: Which cloud do you use, and why?

#59

Post by xtrumanx »

rsync wrote: post #52
at-fates-hands wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to do this, but handling the security of your own server to me seems labor intensive. How easy is it for you to manage keeping your server and data secure? I would really like to do this, but my fears of getting hacked have kept me from doing it.

Well, my system runs nothing but sendmail, lighttpd (with no modules or features) and sshd. That's it. So there's not much to lock down. sshd is hidden behind port knocking, for what that's worth. (No, I do not want to have a religious argument about port knocking this morning) The real key to the simplicity and security of my setup is email over SSH with a console client. Not only does that remove oceans of attack s…

Thank you for introducing me to port knocking (wikipedia link for the unintiated [0]).

Not trying to lure into an argument you're trying to avoid but I'm just curious; what is the religious argument about regarding port knocking? I know about both sides to tabs/spaces and vim/emacs but am curious what people have against port knocking.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_knocking

Re: Ask HN: Which cloud do you use, and why?

#60

Post by ic-junk »

denzil_correa wrote: post #22
chrisseaton wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you posting exactly the same comment multiple times with slightly different wording and a new user account each time? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9583236

I think the user just copy-pasted the linked comment. The linked comment account is quite old - 2487 days.

No copy and pasting. 2 Different users posting around the same time. We just had same experiences. Mine was originally all in one sentence but I edited it after and reformatted to be bullet points.
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