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Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#53
I havent figured out "the meaning of life" ever since that class i took about philosophy in high school. Each day I wake up and puzzle about this question.

As stubborn as I am, I will find the answer to this question! Or die trying!

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#54
Why? Your eventual answer may be different from mine, but my character is a really stubborn SOB. I say keep living because to take you down will take being ran over by a Mack truck.

I've had my confidence shattered as well. It happens and can take years to recover it. I for one, am going out kicking and screaming. You've made it this far, saying "f the world" isn't offing yourself. It's bitterly going down to the last round.

I told my boss at work that my gravestone will never say "he was afraid to speak up for himself" or "he was afraid to take his shot". Because I'm not going out quietly, nor am I living meekishly. Speak out when you sense injustice. Join me, make yourself and presence heard.

I'd recommend if you're feeling that down, maybe try a change of scenery. Go to Costa Rica or someplace in Mexico, sit on the beach for weeks and drink beer. Find someone to have sex with, even if you have to pay for it. Use a rubber.

There's no way it's impossible for you to snap out of this. You can, and you will. I hope my words help you.

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#55
I've been in an on-and-off existential funk for most of the last two years. At times I've seriously wondered if I was capital-D Depressed. I don't think I was though - as in, my problem was caused by a specific frustration with things wrong with my life, rather than a chemical imbalance in my brain.

To clarify: when people feel "anxious and depressed for no discernible reason", it might be because of a neurological disorder in their brain. Even happy times feel empty and meaningless. Or, it might be because of an actual issue in their lives, but one they haven't fully discerned. It's hard to tell which group you might be in.

At the time I found doing volunteering did give me some genuine happiness. Another activity I found very meaningful was deep reading of philosophy and literature. Over time the reading became less and less rewarding though (the volunteering stopped because of logistical issues). I had a feeling that there was some process that was sucking meaning out of everything good in my life, which was pretty scary, and made me wonder if I was developing clinical depression.

In my case, I've come to the conclusion that my unhappiness was caused by unacknowledged issues with my life situation, not neurochemistry. You mention "I had all of my dreams in life shattered" - my situation was not so drastic, but still a bit similar. I'd been reading about startups all throughout university, and was accepted into a prestigious new accelerator on graduating (more of a pre-accelerator, actually, so ideas and teams were in a bit of flux). It was intense but I felt on top of the world. My problem was I "pivoted" three times while looking for the right team + idea, until the accelerator programme had ended and I had no serious traction with anything. So I found myself working in Starbucks on crappy PHP code for a freelance client. Then that dried up and I found another short-term gig basically doing monkey work with Excel. I went through a hairy few weeks after a late invoice where I almost ran out of cash. So I was trying to figure out my life direction while also struggling to survive.

Looking back, I had a combination of a) over-ambition ("I need to be working on a potentially huge startup before I turn 24") and b) lack of understanding of the effort required to create something halfway-decent (and the experience required to create something actually good).

Over time I managed to tune down the over-ambition through a combination of introspection, CBT, self-acceptance and observation of how difficult even very smart people have obtaining moderate success. The work ethic I improved by taking a couple of standard web development jobs and learning to do things the right way. Still, this existential depression has waxed and waned over the last two years, and (I now believe) it's because at least part of my psyche never stopped believing that I could and should be doing something greater.

It's like - as we grow up we get used to the fact that our younger dreams often aren't worth sticking to. Lots of people wanted to be astronauts as kids, but they probably don't despair that they never became astronauts, just because it's such an unlikely thing to become. But the minor character in Fight Club who secretly wanted to become a veterinarian - well, it was a challenge to become a veterinarian but not an impossible challenge, so why didn't he do it?

So my small suggestion to you is: take a look at your "shattered dreams" and rationally evaluate which still seem achievable and worthwhile.

Avoid the twin emotional traps of grandiosity and helplessness ("yes, this is the idea, I'm going to work on becoming the next Elon Musk for 18 hours a day and get VC money and Techcrunch coverage and everyone will love me forever" vs "why do I want to work on a new project, just summoning up the effort will add more strife to my existence in the valley of tears, I should just find a safe spot and stop moving"). A good perspective is one of balance, clarity and equanimity: "my life is OK, there are things that I can improve and I will patiently work on plans to improve them, and try and build relationships with people who I can help or who can help me".

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#56
In my opinion, you don't need reasons for wanting to live: Survival instinct is the default in the human being. Not wanting to live is the strange thing, but in Western society (or Asian)it is becoming more and more normal, because it is easy to not get the basics there.

I have lived in countries like Angola, Uganda, Rwanda with people having 1 /20 of the things what an American has. But they are much happier overall, because they have more in what makes a life human.

First they have friends and they have family. People in Western societies live alone, specially in America most people don't have friends at all. They can live in a McMansion completely isolated from the rest of the world.

"family" for an American means:"your parents" or "your children". For an African person could mean between 20 to 40 people.

This is an advantage for some things. In the west you could do whatever you want, without having to convince people in your family that does not understand, but also is a tremendous disadvantage as you are alone in tough times.

Americans are puritans, they can't see a breast from a woman. The people that do, do it for commercial profit reaping the "scandal", like Madonna or MTV annual prices shows.They could call the cops if they see you making pictures to a kid smiling on the street(being puritan means they are obsess with sex and have a tremendous dirty mind).

In Africa sex is normal. There is no such a concept of "possessing another person" like in the West. In my opinion this alone is pathological creating hypocrisy and jealously . You see people naked from both sexes taking a bath in the river, or women breastfeeding their children in public. It is normal there, like having sex with multiple people(which makes AIDS a great problem).

In Africa you have fantastic weather. Great sun, no winter in most of the continent. In the West lots of people don't see the sun at all because they are working all day inside buildings. In places like Boston you can't simply not live out there in winter, it is too cold.

The food in the US is so preprocessed. People are overweight because the food they eat is so artificial. Food that have stayed in the fridge or is industrially processed destroys lots of useful substances(enzymes, co enzymes, vitamins, fiber and lots of substances that let you incorporate other substances).

In Africa people is young, lots of kids smiling everywhere. The West is becoming an older and older society with worries everywhere, fear for the future.

So I recommend you look at the basics in your live: Do you have friends, love, exercise, quality food, sleep well, go outside frequently?

Do you work too much or too hard?

If not, you need to change your habits first. Traveling far away is a great way of being forced to change your habits fast.

Once you have your basics, start using self help material, like books and videos and learn what works for you. There is amazing material out there, the problem is knowing what works and what does not.

You can learn meditation, which is basically training for controlling your internal thoughts. But this is advanced, you first need to have the basics solved.

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#57
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Suicidal thinking is always something you need to see a good doctor for. A woman finding a small hard lump in the breast or a man finding a small hard lump on a testicle would see a doctor right away. I know you say you can't afford it but you need to talk to a doctor before you say you can't afford it. Anxiety and depression respond well to cognitive behaviour therapy. Ideally this is done with an experienced qualif…

I'm not suicial now, but I have seen doctors about this in the past.

I was suicidal because I felt like my life had no control. The way this has was treated is to have me committed, where I have to spend the little energy I have convincing people I'm normal and sane so they'll let me go, and I will regain the control of being at least capable in theory to take my life. I come out of it much worse than how I came in.

I would love a good doctor, or even an understanding person to talk to. It's easy to snap your fingers and prescribe that, but for some people it feels hopeless to realize you may never get it.

It's called a downward spiral for a reason. One of my life goals, if I can get to it, would be to dismantle the terrible mental health infrastructure of the Western world and replace it with science and compassion.

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#58
Well, life is absurd. So to be honest there's not much reason to live.

However, during the time that I'm still here, whenever I feel like crap, I blame myself. If my thoughts are depressing me, then it's my job to change the thought patterns. Committing suicide seems like a cop-out to me. If it's to escape pain, I have to ask: where does the pain come from? Who made up the rules that I should be happy about this and that and I should be unhappy about this and that? Is it society? Is it my family? Nature? Well, if it were up to me, I'd rewrite the rules so that I win. And ultimately, I have to remember that it is in fact up to me to feel good or not.

Easier said than done, but this is the outlook that makes me reject feeling like crap. Remember, your thoughts don't define you. Just because you're the one thinking certain thoughts doesn't mean you should accept them all: pick and choose which ones you allow and which ones you should consider alien. Negative thoughts can be ignored, they can be changed. Meditation. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Travel to foreign lands.

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#59
post #49

Suicidal thinking is always something you need to see a good doctor for. A woman finding a small hard lump in the breast or a man finding a small hard lump on a testicle would see a doctor right away. I know you say you can't afford it but you need to talk to a doctor before you say you can't afford it. Anxiety and depression respond well to cognitive behaviour therapy. Ideally this is done with an experienced qualif…

I'm not suicial now, but I have seen doctors about this in the past. I was suicidal because I felt like my life had no control. The way this has was treated is to have me committed, where I have to spend the little energy I have convincing people I'm normal and sane so they'll let me go, and I will regain the control of being at least capable in theory to take my life. I come out of it much worse than how I came in.…

Good job of scaring someone away from getting actual medical advice rather than the fucking bullshit being spewed in this thread.

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#60
Excuse the cheesy line, but this life is all you've got. Don't throw it away.

My parents were murdered just under 10 years ago. I have spent the last decade fighting depression, PTSD, and a society that doesn't know how to deal with extreme emotional effects. I feel like I'm finally getting out of that hole. It has taken a long time.

Your recent anxiety sounds like the late effects of PTSD, or some other trauma related condition. I would highly recommend speaking to a professional (actually, speak to as many as it takes to find one you like). You aren't alone, and your condition isn't unique. There will be good advice out there.

As to people being happier when you're around, That's usually a good "life" metric to check, but in times of personal crisis, you want to think about you. Who are you happiest around? Can you talk to them about your feelings? If not, can you spend more time with them?

Life is sometimes hard, and "sometimes" can last a long time, but there will be good bits, then better bits, then eventually, the majority will hopefully be good.

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