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Ask HN: How much you make working remotely?

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Re: Ask HN: How much you make working remotely?

#51

I'm Ruby on Rails & Javascript developer from South-Eastern Europe (Croatia, Zagreb). I'm working for a client in Chicago, USA and my rate is 40usd/hr.

How does the final amount after you pay all the taxes/social security fees etc compare to what you would get from a comparable local job?

Re: Ask HN: How much you make working remotely?

#53
post #4

This would work better as a poll so people can answer anonymously.

No, it would not. This doesn't work, and neither would a poll. To be clear: we can have an interesting discussion on salaries, value of employees, etc. but if anyone takes any of these numbers, from this post, or a poll, and does so much as average them, they would immediately produce meaningless data. Some reasons: - Participation is voluntary, the group is self-selected. This in itself renders all results meaningle…

Indeed. Many people (though not all people) lie on anonymous polls. Frequently. They lie when they perceive themselves to have incentives to lie (per your last bullet point). They also lie in absence of any apparent incentives.

Some of it is just human psychology. Nobody sees what appears to be a norm, measures himself against it, and wants to admit that he falls short of it -- even if he's totally anonymous. This is especially true when a poll concerns topics of great emotional weight, like salary. Take an anonymous poll on everyone's favorite sports team, or favorite ice cream flavor, and you'd probably get accurate results. Take a poll on salary, and many of the results would be dubious.

Re: Ask HN: How much you make working remotely?

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're wrong though, at least in my case. My pay doesn't change at all and I move quite often.

Yes, he's wrong. I do quite well working remotely and every offer I've received for which I'd have to work in a $%^&ing open office (because open office good, cubicle bad plus mandatory daily Jar Jar meeting at no additional cost(1)) would have entailed a 25-50% pay cut. My advice is to refuse in every way you can to be the generic fungible engineer most management wishes you to be, and to instead specialize in emerg…

That link is stupid. We do daily standups. It usually takes about 3 minutes. If it's taking 2.5 hours/week, you're doing it wrong.

Re: Ask HN: How much you make working remotely?

#55

225k this year, its great as long as they don't micro manage you

Each recruiter here typically clears closer to 315K.

> here

Where is here? Op's handle? Cybercoders? That's incredible if true. You could essentially recruit for a few years and then retire.

Re: Ask HN: How much you make working remotely?

#56

With 60% oDesk clients and 40% other remote clients, back in 2012, I did around 17k $ in the whole year. I explained it at the end of this post http://malditointer.net/after-working-1200-hours-in-odesk/

I keep working in remote for hand-picked clients. I raised my rates (I started really low, 8$/hour, coming from non-technical background at all). My current rate is 25$/h, and I have started to take some projects that imply some development (ruby on rails, html/css). AMAnything if you feel like! Willing to help or solve some doubts.

How much time and effort did it take you to reach $25/h from $8/h? From what I see, it is very competetive and there will be always some guy who is willing to work at less than price you mention (and sometimes, if not most of times, he would have more experience/ratings than you) how do you handle that? I mean how would you make someone chose you over a experienced guy?

You said you started to take development projects, then what kind of projects you were working on earlier?

Re: Ask HN: How much you make working remotely?

#57
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, he's wrong. I do quite well working remotely and every offer I've received for which I'd have to work in a $%^&ing open office (because open office good, cubicle bad plus mandatory daily Jar Jar meeting at no additional cost(1)) would have entailed a 25-50% pay cut. My advice is to refuse in every way you can to be the generic fungible engineer most management wishes you to be, and to instead specialize in emerg…

That link is stupid. We do daily standups. It usually takes about 3 minutes. If it's taking 2.5 hours/week, you're doing it wrong.

Whenever I see "If X isn't working for you then you're doing it wrong" I remind the person who said it that they really ought to consider that there are no silver bullets/holy grails. If daily standups work for you, great (see, I'm acknowledging that it works for some people), but please keep your process religion to yourself, mmkay?

Re: Ask HN: How much you make working remotely?

#58
"Somewhere on the high end of Silicon Valley market rate for the specific thing that I do for a guy who's been doing it this long."

The important part is that the spot on the globe where I decide to plug in my laptop has precisely zero bearing on that bill rate. I'll grant that the offset of having to pay for my own equipment and health care versus having to pay a premium in housing cost and take a huge hit on quality of life so as to be able to commute an hour to sit in a felt cube all day every day does leave me a bit ahead. But then I'd argue that surplus should be captured by me rather than J. Random Software Company.

Never let the poor negotiating position of the others around you affect your ability to negotiate the best deal for yourself. If your counterparty suggests dropping your rate to match the locals in whatever tropical paradise you've had the good sense to set up shop in, it's your job to chuckle softly and say "no. It doesn't work like that."

Re: Ask HN: How much you make working remotely?

#59

225k this year, its great as long as they don't micro manage you

yea, I'm also curious, what's the trick?

Get a job at a recruiting firm like CyberCoders, then find a (not at all conspicuous) way of trying to lure people to reply or (ideally) PM you, and then get your recruiting commissions.

Re: Ask HN: How much you make working remotely?

#60
post #48

Living in East Europe, working as a consultant (C++, no web dev) remotely for West European company. Making 10x more of what I'd make locally (Senior/Lead role). I've changed several jobs during the last decade, always tripling the next salary (of course I've never mentioned my previous salary) - and I've always given the rate I asked for. So, if you want to make more - just ask for it.

I've been halfway considering doing something similar myself. Where do you live? What are the standards of living there?
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