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Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

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Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

#51
I'm currently 33 and I'm planning on getting a degree one day, when I have my feet on the ground and my wallet has enough disposable income to afford it.

That feeling you described is also very familiar to me: After starting a MOOC I caught myself wandering back in the problem I was trying to tackle when in the bus or train.

It's scary that we also share the "lack of math skills" but I'm planning on doing something about it. Maybe Khanacademy is a good start.

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

#52
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Try and become a DBA. They are kind of expected to be old (as in 40+) and can rake in the $$$. Although the kind of "coding" you will do will be limited to scripting, SQL, and maybe some ORASQL/APEX.

I'd like to echo to disregard this advice as well.

I work for a company with a lot of young programmers and I recently hired a bright guy in his 30's who decided change career paths.

Do what you love and work on side projects that you will love. It will go a long way in an interview if you can bring us and show off something that you loved working on.

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

#53
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Not THAT much more experience probably ;-) You're - again IMO - right about it being only one of the factors. The reason we hire mostly 'youngsters' (damn, never thought I would say this before reaching 30 myself) is that 'they' are more readily available. I'm in no way saying that young people have more energy, are more driven. A reason you MIGHT consider - which I consider applicable to myself as well - is that as…

Could you please clarify about "cultural match"? Provided that the person is good and kind, but e.g. likes different music genres, or thinks that hunting is like a killing a human (while some existing teammate is hunter), would you consider this case as a cultural mismatch?

Although this is more of a personal thing I would never judge people based on their musical preference (that's what headphones are for ;-)) and hobbies. Cultural is - for me - a combination of drive (yes, one of the other factors) and the ability to work with others without driving them to tears. That and a flexible sense of humour ;-)

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

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When you say "~E2000/month jobs" do you say it based on what? On personal experience? As far as I know, corporate labs (which is an alternative to academia) are paying much more...

'Careers in CS' don't exist in the corporate world, certainly not in Europe. Not personal experience in the sense that I took that route, but in the sense that I know plenty of people in positions like that. Then again, fuck some anonymous dude on the internet like me - for all you know I could be a bored 13 year old pimply-faced teenager in Boca Raton trolling would-be academics online during his civics class. Check…

Careers in CS most certainly exist at Google, Yahoo, MS and Facebook, several of which have research labs in Europe (see MSR, Yahoo Barcelona, Google Zurich).

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

#55
I'm going to be 32 and have recently started teaching myself Ruby/Rails in the past couple of months. I get it, one of the biggest insecurities I have is wondering if I'm too old to get the job I want.

Like you, I obsess over the things I've been learning and finding that this is bigger passion than many things I've done in the past.

Just keep learning and keep working on things. It will happen eventually. I have much more to learn but I am just learning now that I need to stop worrying about an age and just go fort he job that I want because it will happen.

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

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I agree with most of what you say, but: 2000 euro/month -- as a finished Phd in CS?! That's ludicrously low? Still, there's a difference between working as a developer/architect/engineer -- and doing CS research. I'm guessing op meant a career in "software engineering", not "computer science".

Sorry I meant that as the salary for a post-doc, which you will be for 2 (if you're top of your field) to 6-8 years (if you are a postdoc for longer, you should reconsider academia imo). Also I meant 2000 pre-tax, but when I look at it, it seems that in some Western European countries you get paid more; like 2500-2800 pre-tax (I know several postdocs in Southern or Eastern European countries who would jump with joy w…

Ah, yes, that makes more sense. I was more thinking as a researcher/architect at a private company after getting a phd -- in which case it sounded very low.

I never read op's post as an "actual" "career in computer scinece", more as a "career in software after maybe taking some CS (be that bsc ms phd or just a few courses)".

As for a post-doc in economics -- I would expect them to make more than minimum wage -- but again, if the goal was to make as much money as possible, I'd assume working as a consultant for Pwc or somewhere like that would be much better paid than continuing doing research in academia. Very different career goals though!

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

#59
It's silly, but one of the first things I thought about when I saw you've studied philosophy was (my emphasis):

"Architectural Styles and the Design of Network-based Software Architectures

Dissertation submitted in partial satisfaction of the requirements for the degree of

DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY

in Information and Computer Science by Roy Thomas Fielding (2000)

Dissertation Committee:

Professor Richard N. Taylor, Chair

Professor Mark S. Ackerman

Professor David S. Rosenblum"

Any formal logic in that philosophy degree you have? (Also, every time I look up that dissertation: Wow, look at that dissertation committee!)

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

#60

First of all: Can we please stop pretending that your professional life is over and your skills and abilities are set in stone when you turn 30? I really can't hear this anymore and I think it's as far from the truth as can be. So, first of all: NO, IT's NEVER TOO LATE for you to learn something new, even at the biblical age of 31 :D For a more detailed answer let's first have a look at the facts: You're 31. You have…

People should drop the whole "I'm older than Zuckerberg my life it's ruin".
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