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Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

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Post by yebyen »

jacquesm wrote: post #39
amirmc wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "A website for hackers with 'opening hours' that simply refuses connections from your locality when you're supposed to be at work." I'd argue that HN already has this kind of functionality with the noprocrast setting [1]. [1] Last question at http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Yes, but that's easily defeatable. I know that because err. never mind.

I actually submitted a bug report because noprocrast stopped working properly for me, so it became pretty much unusable to actually go on hackernews for more than the allowed time and post comments, which is really more in the spirit of noprocrast... but incredibly frustrating.

It took years (weeks) to fix. I disabled noprocrast in the mean time. (I guess I should turn it back on now)

If you use this feature and you noticed the bug, thank @kogir I guess!

https://github.com/HackerNews/HN/issues/85

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

#52

Post by jnbiche »

jacquesm wrote: post #44
jnbiche wrote: post #43

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I totally agree, but it's still a very valuable form of advertising. Companies would pay big money for featured ads on HN.

They don't have to pay, they can just submit. Or wait for the 'who is hiring' thread that rolls around the 1st of the month.

>They don't have to pay, they can just submit.

Yes, they could, but there's no guarantee at all that it would be upvoted to the front page and stay there for multiple hours.

And 'who is hiring' threads are great, but it's easy for an employer to get lost amidst the other comments.

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

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Post by StefanKarpinski »

jacquesm wrote: post #44
jnbiche wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree, but it's still a very valuable form of advertising. Companies would pay big money for featured ads on HN.

They don't have to pay, they can just submit. Or wait for the 'who is hiring' thread that rolls around the 1st of the month.

YCombinator companies clearly get boosted ranking because there's no way some of those ads would otherwise be on the front page. I have no problem with this, but I don't understand why you're trying to argue with it being advertising.

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

#54

Post by DanBC »

jnbiche wrote: post #49
DanBC wrote: post #41

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Let's make sure dang is wearing a shirt and tie everyday. Maybe we should be asking to see some timesheets? Oh, and about those TPS reports? We're putting cover sheets on the reports before they go out now. So if you could go ahead and try to remember to do that from now on, that'd be great. All right!

I realize you're being sarcastic, but what does a corporate environment have to do with being efficient or competent? I don't associate the two -- in fact, I find that very traditional corporate atmospheres are often a strong signal of incompetence . I have no idea what TPS reports are. In any case, please realize that I took the time to write a respectful and non-emotional comment, and it clearly struck a nerve sinc…

> I have no idea what TPS reports are.

"Office Space" is an important movie for anyone reading HN.

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

ohashi wrote: post #23
frik wrote: post #4

Downtime message: Changing how profiles, passwords, items and votes are stored on disk.

changed how passwords are stored on disk is something that might be worth elaborating on.

rot13()? :-)

Edit (for the benefit of the downvoter(s)): Yes, I do understand that HN is not really that poorly written; it was a joke.

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

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Post by jacquesm »

jnbiche wrote: post #52
jacquesm wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't have to pay, they can just submit. Or wait for the 'who is hiring' thread that rolls around the 1st of the month.

>They don't have to pay, they can just submit. Yes, they could, but there's no guarantee at all that it would be upvoted to the front page and stay there for multiple hours. And 'who is hiring' threads are great, but it's easy for an employer to get lost amidst the other comments.

I think the who is hiring threads have far more visibility than the YC calls for employees.

Interesting observation: that model does not scale anyway. As the YC portfolio grows you can only advertise so much before you start to hurt the pool of founders for the next batch and before you fish the pool empty of new talent. So likely even YC companies will face some kind of rate-limiting for these kind of posts, or alternatively, they should simply join the masses and post in the Who is hiring threads. That would level the playing field. Or, yet another option, an open 'jobs' section that any company could post to.

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

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Post by mnem »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #55
ohashi wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

changed how passwords are stored on disk is something that might be worth elaborating on.

rot13()? :-) Edit (for the benefit of the downvoter(s)): Yes, I do understand that HN is not really that poorly written; it was a joke.

Twice, just to be extra secure!

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

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Post by DanBC »

User9812 wrote: post #45
DanBC wrote: post #28

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It's a way of warning you that someone else might have made the same point that you're about to make and that you should reply in a fresh thread. Prepare your replies in a text editor and copy 'n' paste them to the new text entry box.

I simply can't believe that's the reason. It's an error message, not a warning. It doesn't check if new comments have been posted to that thread, it doesn't prompt you with the new comments, and ask if you want to continue with the post, and it doesn't make it easy to go back to the original thread to check if there are new comments. Asking users to type in an external text editor, and then copy/paste isn't a reasona…

Well, have fun with your continued error messages I guess.

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

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Post by arethuza »

DanBC wrote: post #54
jnbiche wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realize you're being sarcastic, but what does a corporate environment have to do with being efficient or competent? I don't associate the two -- in fact, I find that very traditional corporate atmospheres are often a strong signal of incompetence . I have no idea what TPS reports are. In any case, please realize that I took the time to write a respectful and non-emotional comment, and it clearly struck a nerve sinc…

> I have no idea what TPS reports are. "Office Space" is an important movie for anyone reading HN.

Oh no - now you have me thinking about what movies are important for HN types.

e.g. "Primer" - would having a time machine help with downtime?

Re: Ask HN: Downtime. What was changed?

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Post by kfcm »

jnbiche wrote: post #35
akie wrote: post #8

I really think it's a disgrace that HN is down for hours just to do some (probably important) back-end work. Here we are, talking about scalability, high-availability, what have you - and the medium we're using to host those discussions is built on 90s web technology and operated as one. I understand that Hacker News is probably run by a small crew, but I think it's a disgrace anyway. If you guys need money to make t…

Look, I think the message delivery here is very poor -- there's no need to be rude. And getting angry is uncalled for. That said, I do agree with the sentiment expressed here: it is pretty amazing that a site that is really a nexus of high-tech Silicon Valley companies and figures -- quite possibly the most popular one in that segment -- still has downtime and a web interface reminiscent of the 1990s. And I disagree…

  That said, I do agree with the sentiment expressed here: it is pretty amazing that a site that is really a nexus of high-tech Silicon Valley companies and figures -- quite possibly the most popular one in that segment -- still has downtime and a web interface reminiscent of the 1990s.
I actually like the UI. It's simple, doesn't use tons of bandwidth, and gets the job done.
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