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Re: Ask HN: How much?

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post #33

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sweet fancy moses!

550/day is not crazy high at all.

That's in british pounds, not USD.

Addition: did the math at www.oanda.com (currency conversion). GBP is LESS than what I thought: 1.63842 USD.

So, that's 900 bucks a day, resulting in $ 110-120 USD/ hour.

Re: Ask HN: How much?

#52
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sweet fancy moses!

550/day is not crazy high at all.

When I heard it was in pounds I'll admit to a brief flash of envy. (Though $550 a day would still be, erm, rather substantially more than Japanese salarymen my age get.)

Re: Ask HN: How much?

#53

I've been trying to work this out for some months now, so apologies for piggy-backing onto this question: How do you actually achieve market prices? I'm aware that there are massive differences in how much you can charge based on location, but I still feel I'm hitting more resistance to my asking prices than I should be. As far as I can tell, it's not a quality issue. I've had repeat business from almost all my past…

How do you actually achieve market prices?

You get a good model that helps to answer that question, and you've got a sellable market product.

Re: Ask HN: How much?

#54
post #4

I think it will be easier to answer your questions if rather than providing the total amount, you provide $/hour in those time periods.

The problem with billing by the hour is that developer performance varies by a factor of 10x or more, whereas hourly fees vary by about 5x. And most clients would not feel comfortable playing $250-$300/hour unless there was some way for them to justify it. (i.e. more people involved, despite the fact that they may do nothing). Besides, why charge per hour? If I solve your problem, what does it matter how long it took…

the reason why many of us charge by the hour is that it requires less negotiation. When is the project 'done'? a flat rate contract requires a lot of work up front to define things that might be better defined after you are most of the way done. Hourly rates make last minute changes simple, and mean that you don't have to argue if it's a last minute change or not.

it also means that the employer bears more of the risk if the work is harder than originally imagined.

(Now, I also agree with your points about why charging a flat rate is better; I'm just pointing out that there are also reasons why charging an hourly rate is better.)

Re: Ask HN: How much?

#55
post #42

Somehow I feel that this post was more about being boastful than anything else.

Actually, no. But I can see why you would think that. I literally don't know the range of what is reasonable and what is not. Your comment is implicitly informative, though. Furthermore, if I was being boastful, I would probably not be hiding behind an anonymous account.

Re: Ask HN: How much?

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post #28
post #9

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150,000/yr (~75/hr) is low.

How is that low? once again, I must whip out some statistics: http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresu... The average full-time web developer salary is 70k. I'm not saying I don't want to make $150k+, but I just can't find any way to substantiate the claim that I'm worth that much.

don't forget payroll tax, supplied laptop/desk/electricity/etc, sick leave, annual leave, any skills development, the fact that you're also doing sales (which is probably more than 70K)..

Just because you have 70,000 listed on your annual pay summary - does not in any way mean that's how much your company spends to keep you employed. When you are a freelancer - you take on a lot of those costs yourself.

Re: Ask HN: How much?

#58

Just for the sake of giving us more information, would you be willing to compare your RoR app with a website I made a while ago. I got paid $500 to make http://www.solafcars.com (works in multiple languages, includes an admin panel, everything on the site is editable). I would assume your RoR app was much bigger, but let us know how it compares. I know I got underpaid though.

I don't really think it's a big deal doing something on the cheap for a first project, the experienced gained and the reference to show future clients is worth it.

Re: Ask HN: How much?

#59
post #42

Somehow I feel that this post was more about being boastful than anything else.

Actually, no. But I can see why you would think that. I literally don't know the range of what is reasonable and what is not. Your comment is implicitly informative, though. Furthermore, if I was being boastful, I would probably not be hiding behind an anonymous account.

Could you add estimates of the amount of time each site took you (in hours), not including time spent teaching yourself, but including all time spent writing code, corresponding with clients, etc.?

That would make it easier to compare.

Re: Ask HN: How much?

#60
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

550/day is not crazy high at all.

That's in british pounds, not USD. Addition: did the math at www.oanda.com (currency conversion). GBP is LESS than what I thought: 1.63842 USD. So, that's 900 bucks a day, resulting in $ 110-120 USD/ hour.

Yes, I know. It would be quite low in USD.
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