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Re: Ask HN: How does an experienced freelancer get work?

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I've been freelancing for ~4 years, "properly" for the last 2. This is what I have found works... Your very best clients will come from personal recommendations. Avoid close friends recommending you; one of my first clients was recommended by a close friend, and you feel an obligation to both the client and the friend. Not fun - especially when you make a cock up and the friend calls you to say they are a bit let dow…

"Find work, don't let it find you" Why not let it find you as well ? If you have experience and the right skillset, you will usually be found more often than you finding work yourself. I usually get good gigs in my industry by getting found a lot more than finding.

Yeh, that didn't come out quite right.

I mean; a lot of freelancers seem to write a nice looking website and hope that some SEO magic will bring in work.

Re: Ask HN: How does an experienced freelancer get work?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Find work, don't let it find you" Why not let it find you as well ? If you have experience and the right skillset, you will usually be found more often than you finding work yourself. I usually get good gigs in my industry by getting found a lot more than finding.

Yeh, that didn't come out quite right. I mean; a lot of freelancers seem to write a nice looking website and hope that some SEO magic will bring in work.

Yes agreed on the SEO magic point. It takes a whole lot more.

Re: Ask HN: How does an experienced freelancer get work?

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There is no such thing as being outbid on freelancing sites. All clients see these outsourcing companies' bids as simply a spam preventing from interviewing 'real' candidates. If they are not hiring you it's something else wrong, not the price. Try thinking about the way you write cover letter: this is the main thing a real customer pays attention to (contrary to what people think it is - feedback score, experience etc). Reason is that overwhelming majority of applications on projects are merely a spam, sometimes automatically posted by a script. Every application letter which clearly does NOT sound like a spam (e.g. contains some project specific details, something on your plan on how you would do it), stands out and gets an interview.

Re: Ask HN: How does an experienced freelancer get work?

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In addition to things that were said, I found some good work on Elance.com, and small projects then evolved to things that kept me busy full-time.

For me it was a bit intimidating to begin with since I had to compete against developers whose bids were a fraction of the price I quoted. However, I soon found out that there are still people out there who value quality and are willing to pay more for it, so the "secret" is to make sure you put a quality bid. What worked for me was:

1. Make sure that your offer refers to the project description. Even highlight issues you find. There are lots of people out there who don't read the details and so people offering work appreciate it when someone actually read and thought about their project.

2. Describe how the project relates to an experience you have. Show a couple of examples work you have done with similar nature.

3. Include a sample of your work. In a couple of projects I was told that I was the only person who did that. I won both contracts although I had the most expensive bid.

4. Be responsive if the customer is asking questions before they make the decisions. Despite not winning all those projects where I had contact with the customer, it gave me an insight to their thought process, and even when I didn't win, it was useful to know I was a runner-up (and where possible, why I didn't win the contract).

5. Don't under-price yourself. There are probably cheaper developers than you, but are they as experienced as you are?

6. Don't over-price yourself. There are some naive customers who estimate a work to be more expensive than you think it should be (yes, really). It's tempting to be greedy and up your price, but I found out that being fair led to long-term relationships and to people who kept me so busy I didn't have to look for new clients for a while.

Hope this helps.

Edit: formatting.

Re: Ask HN: How does an experienced freelancer get work?

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I started out with my first short-term contract back in May/June and have been self employed since that finished. I get work by contact form submissions on my own website (it's just a WordPress blog), occasionally posting on the 'Looking for work' topics here and from an advert I posted on the Gumtree website.

I tried working on vWorker.com but I had a terrible experience with a client in Pakistan. Never again.

Right now I'm making enough to pay my bills and I have work lined up for the next couple of months. Not too bad.

Re: Ask HN: How does an experienced freelancer get work?

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There is no such thing as being outbid on freelancing sites. All clients see these outsourcing companies' bids as simply a spam preventing from interviewing 'real' candidates. If they are not hiring you it's something else wrong, not the price. Try thinking about the way you write cover letter: this is the main thing a real customer pays attention to (contrary to what people think it is - feedback score, experience e…

My suggestion for freelance sites: charge people for bidding on projects. $20 per bid will be just right. Refund these for the applicant who ends up being hired. You can decrease your commissions then to discourage people from circumventing your service, remaining profitable, and keep competitive by vastly increasing the value of your service to customers because they will not have to get through tons of spam applications. Qualified freelancers will flock to you because they will not be put off by crowds of low-quality, low-priced competitors.

There is of course another problem, which is harder to fix: spam projects. People who state that they want one thing and upon interview want to lure you into something else, like working for free, for some imaginary future profit sharing (always a scam), working fixed price with a vaguely defined project goals etc...

Re: Ask HN: How does an experienced freelancer get work?

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> I am a highly experienced developer who has recently taken to freelancing.

If you are a programmer (not web designer) what you want is 'contract programming', not 'freelancing'. Your chances to get a direct contract with a big company (i.e. a company that can afford you) are minimal. Big customers don't talk to single persons. They only talk to other companies. You need to offer your service to one of those companies who will sell you to their big customers on demand.

Re: Ask HN: How does an experienced freelancer get work?

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I've been freelancing for ~4 years, "properly" for the last 2. This is what I have found works... Your very best clients will come from personal recommendations. Avoid close friends recommending you; one of my first clients was recommended by a close friend, and you feel an obligation to both the client and the friend. Not fun - especially when you make a cock up and the friend calls you to say they are a bit let dow…

Great tips, I'm a full stack dev at a big company and never even thought about giving freelance work a try until this
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