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Re: Ask HN: How do you find clients?

#51
The best way I've found to get freelance jobs is to tell people that yes you are unemployed but you're not interested in the kind of work they want done, even though you could do it in your sleep. Then when they push back, quote them an absolutely ridiculously high rate that they wouldn't possibly accept.

Then, for some reason I haven't quite fathomed yet, they often say "yeah, that's fine. See you this afternoon."

This is why, yesterday, I was paid $1000 to get someone's new laptop talking to their printer and copy some files off the hard drive of a dead PC (which in reality just had one dead stick of RAM and a family of cockroaches to whom I served an eviction notice.)

Ultimately, this is just the time value of money + "I can't be bothered learning how to do this trivial task because hopefully I'll never have to do it again." + "If I just pay this guy what he wants it'll be done today, and I can quickly forget about what it cost."

This probably only works on rich people, and because I'm not one myself it seems pretty weird. If I was rich enough, paying $1000 to not be annoyed any more probably would make sense.

Re: Ask HN: How do you find clients?

#52

Although I've just started out, my client came to me because I started a Ruby user group in our area. My name is still attached to "Ruby Cork" even though the group fizzled out 2years ago. Now I'm working with Rails full-time again, I'll be restarting the group this month. In short: start or get involved with local tech groups

+1 on this. I manage a user group for the primary language I use, and in over 3 years of full-time freelancing, I've never been without work.

Out of curiosity, which language?

Re: Ask HN: How do you find clients?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 on this. I manage a user group for the primary language I use, and in over 3 years of full-time freelancing, I've never been without work.

Out of curiosity, which language?

It's ColdFusion.

At a former employer we hired him on as a contractor and in the ~3 months he was on contract not a single line of code was ever produced even though there were promises made every week. Would not use again.

That said, as a past CF developer there is TON of ColdFusion work out there. Sure it is not glamorous but there are a lot worse things you could be doing for $$ :)

Re: Ask HN: How do you find clients?

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A hack that worked for me when I was freelancing, was to put my resume on various job boards as if I were looking for full-time employment. When companies called me to set up interviews, I said (on the phone) "Turns out I decided I'm going to freelance. What was the project you wanted to interview me for? Perhaps I can help with that, as a freelancer." I got a lot of business that way and it pretty much started my ca…

You didn't get a lot of blow-back from companies that were looking for full-time hires?

Re: Ask HN: How do you find clients?

#55

Hrm, surprised nobody suggested Craigslist. I bootstrapped myself into a data scientist/consultant with gigs from Craigslist. (Well, grad school helps too, but the initial contract leads were pretty much all from CL.)

What was the response rate for you?

Because I tried this, and it turned out to be pretty low - like 1 - 2% (which was on the high-end).

So just to get a response, I had to send 50 - 100 emails. Maybe I am misremembering, but it is something like that.

Re: Ask HN: How do you find clients?

#56
Don't avoid cold calls. I started doing web development for myself almost 3 years ago and I was able to support myself and then was picked up by a much larger tech company in Chicago. I work at both now and this is how I made it:

Did one free job for a local small business. I sought them out. I just called, told them honestly that I needed to start a portfolio and offered them a free site. I did it quick, on Wordpress and used the experience to gauge how much time and effort a typical site would take and I based my first fees off this.

I wrote down names of businesses around town that I came across then looked to see if they had a website. Amy time I saw an awful website I'd contact the place and sell myself. At this point my rates were so low they might as well have been free and I bagged a few clients.

After I got about 4 sites under my belt and on my portfolio I raised prices, offered web app development and marketing and then joined a local group of business owners that met for lunch weekly. I made connections there and at various networking events held by local chambers around the Chicago suburbs.

Through these connections I got a few more clients. Once I got to job six or seven I tripled my rates and the strangest thing happened. I got less leads but the majority of the leads that came to me we're eager to close and easier to close. I was working less to close deals and those deals were worth three times as much as before.

I then slowed way down on reaching out to prospective clients as I had a steady stream of them contacting me first. The last group I contacted was a new non-profit in town whose cause was something I related to. They paid for my services and asked me to join their board of directors after I finished their (now "our") site.

Through that I made connections in the non-profit sector, state and local government, and with lots of people in the medical field.

I bumped up prices a bit more and saw an opportunity. Until then my market was anyone who wanted a website. Even though I weeded out a lot of the crappy clients by increasing my price I still got a lot of awful people to deal with. So I then focused in on non-profits, government, and social services (which was close to what all the connections I made in the medical field were into).

I'm three years in, work for an awesome and growing company, and my own freelance work is booming. I make a minimum of $2k for a run of the mill business website.

Things to note: throughout that time I used AdWords (about $400 worth of Google's free gift cards in total), I had a website from day 1, and I forced myself into lots and lots of social situations that were awkward for me. I also made sure I was on Yelp, Google Places/Maps, and every business and/or web design directory I could find.

It's important to know your market too. Where I am, even a halfway decent designer can look like a genius because all the local design firms create sites that look like they came straight out of 1997 GeoCities. I've had multiple clients turn to me after being pitched by them. I'm not a great designer either. I'm so-so. You can see for yourself how truly unimpressive I am at https://chooseclever.com. I'm not awful but I'm not above average by any means. Is your competition great? If so then do you compete on price or quality?

One thing I've learned along the way is that most everything you read about clients in different web design blogs is true. Same with pricing. I didn't listen and had to learn the hard way.

Re: Ask HN: How do you find clients?

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Adwords worked best for me by crafting ads targeting specific niche specializations that would grab long tail traffic. In my case, it was converting websites to WordPress. I didn't need every single person looking for WordPress work; 50 clicks per day worked out just fine for my capactiy. By some optimizing, keeping my bids low, and disabling Content Network, I was able to get CPA to ~$10; as long as I was converting…

Did you rely on any particular tools for optimization? How did you decide which initial words to target? Was it solely based on pricing?

Re: Ask HN: How do you find clients?

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Here's what i did to build http://www.cloudshuffle.com from a single dev(me) to a team of over 6 devs(+ a designer) in various countries. Also, from building social network clones(for $200) to building proper webapps for well known startups and companies like Compete, Hubspot. * Sign up for all freelancer Marketplaces: Elance, Odesk, Guru, Freelancer, RentACoder. * Sign up for RSS feeds for jobs(full time/freelance)…

When bidding, you don't need to go below everyone else - I go above every single time, and also explain to potential clients why I'm the best choice (top quality, deliver on time). Of course you need some kind of portfolio to back up your statements. And deliver the promised quality. This approach also has a beneficial side-effect. Cheap clients deny the bid. Usually these clients turn out to be the most demanding on…

I totally agree.

You _never_ want to compete on price. Compete on quality. It's a good idea to eliminate the cheapskates ahead of time.

Re: Ask HN: How do you find clients?

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networking and word of mouth - both take longer, but will have longer term results. I made a couple connections in 2006/2007 that I can directly attribute $200k in income to, because of their word of mouth referrals. That came just from local meetups and such. There's plenty of people I've met which haven't directly contributed to my bottom line, but to try to look at everyone as a potential $ is a wrong approach. I…

I'd add Jerry Weinberg's _Secrets of Consulting_ to the reading list. It had a major impact on my ability to turn my tech skills into a business. For example, it helped me understand that the right answer to a client request is, "Yes, I can do that. And this is what it will cost."

Re: Ask HN: How do you find clients?

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Give away some kind of free software that is useful and production-quality. That something should also be related to a larger, growing trend. You'll generally get higher quality clients, a non-low rate, and a more fun project (since it's centered on using a tool that you built). And you also don't have to make cold calls--the software should stand on its own and send the leads to you. I've learned this from my own ex…

I can confirm this. I wrote quite a bit of open-source software that has attracted thousands of users over the years and now my clients find me instead of the other way around. You need to do more than just write the software though -- you need to be active in discussions where people are looking for software like yours, because that's often how people end up arriving at your software. Ideally the software you're bui…

Absolutely agree. My spouse is an active contributor to an open source project. Often, someone will come into IRC asking for help, and soon realize that the scope of the problem is bigger than they thought. Their next idea: "I should hire someone to do this for me." If you have demonstrated your tech skills, ability to communicate, and willingness to help a client... you might get the gig.

It doesn't have to be open source. As long as it's a community of techies working together to solve a problem, being the Helpful Cheerful Person in the Neighborhood can lead to consulting work.

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