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Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Post by edanm »

owebmaster wrote: post #39
charlesju wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my personal account, I started with PHP and Perl (high school and college) and then graduated to Ruby on Rails (early dev career) and now its Python and JS. I would say Ruby on Rails was a 10x on raw PHP in terms of feature specs per hour and AI is a 10x on Ruby on Rails (and its derivatives). We're probably 100x the developer productivity on a per developer basis from the early days of Web 2.0 with PHP, just a…

> We're probably 100x the developer productivity on a per developer basis from the early days of Web 2.0 with PHP, just a personal anecdote though. Only if you compare create a website in PHP 20 years ago vs using wordpress. But to create a project like wordpress from zero now is as difficult as it was 20 years ago.

> Only if you compare create a website in PHP 20 years ago vs using wordpress. But to create a project like wordpress from zero now is as difficult as it was 20 years ago.

Roll to disbelieve on this one. There's no way that creating something like WordPress 20 years ago, before any modern-day web application frameworks, was anywhere near as easy. I'm not even talking React/Next or whatever - this was before RoR, before Django (or at least very early versions of both).

I think it's pretty impossible to look around and not notice that technical advances have improved a lot of things in the world - why does it sound credible that programming itself hasn't improved at all in twenty years? Even look at languages like C++ today compared to 20 years ago, they're massively different - do you think all those changes to the languages are neutral or negative in terms of productivity?

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Post by throwaway915 »

charlesju wrote: post #21

I think this is the wrong question. The right question is how much human code can a human push now vs prior to AI. Everything we've done in coding has been assisted. Prior to this current generation of web applications, we had the advent of concepts like Object Orientated Programming and prior to that even C was a massive move up from Assembly and punch cards. AI has written a lot of code. AI has written very little…

That's not a better question but a different one.

Your reply is pseudo-intellectual Slashdot-style Frist Posting, to which I venture:

Can AI FirstPost on HN better than humans? If so, why do they seem to lack the curiosity and gumption to make their own 'Ask HN'? Is there a matching preference to snipe internet points with replies?

Do they also use real names or pseudo real names believing such action will not boost their LinkedIn profile? Have they A/B tested the optimal level of passive aggression in HN replies vis avoidance behaviour of potential future relationships?

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

#53

Post by owebmaster »

anilgulecha wrote: post #46
owebmaster wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're probably 100x the developer productivity on a per developer basis from the early days of Web 2.0 with PHP, just a personal anecdote though. Only if you compare create a website in PHP 20 years ago vs using wordpress. But to create a project like wordpress from zero now is as difficult as it was 20 years ago.

> project like wordpress from zero now is as difficult as it was 20 years ago This specific point is patently untrue. loveable/v0/etc excel at creating CMSes / UIs for content in hours.

Your examples are a far cry from Wordpress and will probably not exist in 5 years.

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Post by owebmaster »

edanm wrote: post #51
owebmaster wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're probably 100x the developer productivity on a per developer basis from the early days of Web 2.0 with PHP, just a personal anecdote though. Only if you compare create a website in PHP 20 years ago vs using wordpress. But to create a project like wordpress from zero now is as difficult as it was 20 years ago.

> Only if you compare create a website in PHP 20 years ago vs using wordpress. But to create a project like wordpress from zero now is as difficult as it was 20 years ago. Roll to disbelieve on this one. There's no way that creating something like WordPress 20 years ago, before any modern-day web application frameworks, was anywhere near as easy. I'm not even talking React/Next or whatever - this was before RoR, befo…

Quality does not change as fast :)) Actually, most of the times, when things go faster, the quality drops as fast.

> There's no way that creating something like WordPress 20 years ago, before any modern-day web application frameworks, was anywhere near as easy

Wordpress was 10% about coding and 90% about community. This 90% part can't be automated by AI or fast-tracked using RoR, Django or whatever. So much that none of the hundreds of wordpress alternatives created in the past 2 decades got any closer to replace it.

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Post by edanm »

owebmaster wrote: post #54
edanm wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Only if you compare create a website in PHP 20 years ago vs using wordpress. But to create a project like wordpress from zero now is as difficult as it was 20 years ago. Roll to disbelieve on this one. There's no way that creating something like WordPress 20 years ago, before any modern-day web application frameworks, was anywhere near as easy. I'm not even talking React/Next or whatever - this was before RoR, befo…

Quality does not change as fast :)) Actually, most of the times, when things go faster, the quality drops as fast. > There's no way that creating something like WordPress 20 years ago, before any modern-day web application frameworks, was anywhere near as easy Wordpress was 10% about coding and 90% about community. This 90% part can't be automated by AI or fast-tracked using RoR, Django or whatever. So much that none…

> Wordpress was 10% about coding and 90% about community.

I completely agree. I just didn't think we were talking about that aspect, just how long it takes to actually build the code of WordPress.

You might be saying that making the technical-building aspects of most technical products go faster won't necessarily have as big an impact as many programmers believe. Programming isn't the core of most products to the degree most programmers think, and instead the core of most products/companies is more about product thinking, sales & marketing, etc. I agree with this sentiment a lot.

That aside, I think there's no question it's faster to program in Python or C++ right now, than it was 20 years ago. Things really have improved on the programming language front (and related libraries, and other advances).

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Post by legacynl »

notfried wrote: post #5

Not OpenAI, but Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger said in response to a question of how much of Claude Code is written by Claude Code: "At this point, I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus. I'd have to ask Boris and the other tech leads on there." [0] https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what...

> I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus.

This is classic marketing speak. Plant the idea of 95+% while in actuality this guy doesn't make any hard claims about the percentage. It can just as well be 0 or 5%.

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Post by hulitu »

charlesju wrote: post #21

I think this is the wrong question. The right question is how much human code can a human push now vs prior to AI. Everything we've done in coding has been assisted. Prior to this current generation of web applications, we had the advent of concepts like Object Orientated Programming and prior to that even C was a massive move up from Assembly and punch cards. AI has written a lot of code. AI has written very little…

> Software engineers are pushing a magnitude more code and producing more functional utility and solving more bugs than ever before

Maybe, but not at Microsoft, Google or Apple.

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Post by bravesoul2 »

legacynl wrote: post #56
notfried wrote: post #5

Not OpenAI, but Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger said in response to a question of how much of Claude Code is written by Claude Code: "At this point, I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus. I'd have to ask Boris and the other tech leads on there." [0] https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what...

> I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus. This is classic marketing speak. Plant the idea of 95+% while in actuality this guy doesn't make any hard claims about the percentage. It can just as well be 0 or 5%.

"You lied" "No I didn't. Look my face is shocked can't you tell?"

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Post by i_have_an_idea »

another_twist wrote: post #12
appreciatorBus wrote: post #10

> If AI is a threat to software engineering, I wouldn't expect many software engineers to actively accelerate that trend. I personally don't view it as a threat, but some people (non engineers?) obviously do. Software engineers have been automating away jobs for other people for nearly a century. It would be quite rich if the profession suddenly felt qualms about the process! (TBC I think automation is great and shou…

Software engineering has also been automating its own jobs for ages. The first thing we engineers do when asked to do a repetitive thing is find ways to automate it. I think the industry had qualms about losing their jobs. But honestly what are the examples of people losing their jobs to software ? Everybody says that this has happened many times yet examples are hard to come by.

> But honestly what are the examples of people losing their jobs to software ?

Bank tellers

Travel agents

Cashiers

Bookkeeping clerks

Typists

Re: Ask HN: How much of OpenAI code is written by AI?

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Post by seydor »

notfried wrote: post #5

Not OpenAI, but Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger said in response to a question of how much of Claude Code is written by Claude Code: "At this point, I would be shocked if it wasn't 95% plus. I'd have to ask Boris and the other tech leads on there." [0] https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what...

Did he ask Boris?
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