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Ask HN: Is there hope for Microsoft 365 support?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there hope for Microsoft 365 support?

#51

MS are notorious for blacklisting IP ranges from providers like Linode, which makes it impossible for a small biz to run its own commercial system. I'm not surprised they also keyword block, because Outlook flags Microsoft's own marketing messages as spam. There really needs to be some kind of global Digital Bill of Rights which provides legal recourse from these giant sclerotic algo-run oligopolies. MS, Meta, Amazon…

This is about Microsoft, a corporation so giant and unaccountable that it's able to hide behind complexity. The OP's email issues may even be a non-malicious expression of that complexity. Nonetheless, the result is opaque power, from which European tech must rapidly divest dependency. But there is a larger pattern to acknowledge here. It's about unaccountable digital privilege and the ability to wield technology for…

> …”the SSA "master death file". If you're in this file you're digitally "deleted from society", after which all credit cards are automatically cancelled, bank accounts frozen, so one cannot get paid, see a doctor, travel or function in US society.”

That is the general idea and working theory, but in practice experience has taught me that the MDF doesn’t actually reliably perform this function. As always, it comes down to implementation.

I’ve handled the estates of multiple deceased members of my family, and in that capacity I have witnessed that the result of your death being reported to SSA varies wildly even across businesses in the same industry.

My favorite is ISPs. At least two of the major national ones don’t actually seem to close accounts upon death, even if notified, with no services active and the account settled to $0.

I still receive bills even after notifying the sender of the account holder’s death. There are still financial services accounts with no activity that seem never to close.

I assume that many businesses are just using open accounts they know belong to dead people in order to artificially inflate their customer counts.

The federal government and its agencies very quickly update their databases with additions to the death file, and that seems to stick. Private sector is a crap shoot.

Re: Ask HN: Is there hope for Microsoft 365 support?

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is about Microsoft, a corporation so giant and unaccountable that it's able to hide behind complexity. The OP's email issues may even be a non-malicious expression of that complexity. Nonetheless, the result is opaque power, from which European tech must rapidly divest dependency. But there is a larger pattern to acknowledge here. It's about unaccountable digital privilege and the ability to wield technology for…

> …”the SSA "master death file". If you're in this file you're digitally "deleted from society", after which all credit cards are automatically cancelled, bank accounts frozen, so one cannot get paid, see a doctor, travel or function in US society.” That is the general idea and working theory, but in practice experience has taught me that the MDF doesn’t actually reliably perform this function. As always, it comes do…

Praise inefficiency! It actually seems a really useful garbage collection mechanism. And such a lame tool to abuse, if indeed the points made about "weaponising" it are accurate. I'll post link to the episode here when it's out.

Re: Ask HN: Is there hope for Microsoft 365 support?

#53
post #17

On a related note, can we as a community start tarnishing Microsoft et al. for e-mail? Blog posts, about pages, documentation, anything and everything where it's appropriate, we should be stating it as a fact that Microsoft's e-mail solutions are sub-par. Off the top of my head; "Please bear in mind that if you are using a non-standards compliant e-mail service provider such as Microsoft, e-mail delivery may be effec…

Problem is not what Microsoft is doing, problem is what the competition is not doing - competing. I don't see such a robust solution to exchange from any company in the Europe e.g. Enterprise grade mail servers are very much dead apart from exchange online.

Re: Ask HN: Is there hope for Microsoft 365 support?

#54
post #10

Have you looked at the Exchange Online and Defender portals for clues? Especially in the Message Trace section of Exchange Online? I recently helped troubleshoot a similar issue - we were suddenly getting emails disappearing when sending to M365 customers. No spam or quarantine, just disappearing down a black hole like you described. We sent a test message to a M365 customer who could help run the message trace, and…

Yes, I have. Message Trace is an interesting one. If we send an email without the 25friday.com keywords everything works fine, the message is shown on Message trace as delivered and the recipient gets the email with SCL 1 (all good here). As soon as the very same email is appended with a www.25friday.com, Message Trace still shows the outbound email, also as delivered, but the recipient (if a Microsoft account) never…

Sorry, I meant have you looked at the message trace on the recipient's end?

Re: Ask HN: Is there hope for Microsoft 365 support?

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> …”the SSA "master death file". If you're in this file you're digitally "deleted from society", after which all credit cards are automatically cancelled, bank accounts frozen, so one cannot get paid, see a doctor, travel or function in US society.” That is the general idea and working theory, but in practice experience has taught me that the MDF doesn’t actually reliably perform this function. As always, it comes do…

Praise inefficiency! It actually seems a really useful garbage collection mechanism. And such a lame tool to abuse, if indeed the points made about "weaponising" it are accurate. I'll post link to the episode here when it's out.

As promised, here's an interview with Alt US Digital Service (AKA "We The Builders") with some eye opening talk about misuse of digital systems to harry and bully US citizens into "self-deportation".

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43903037

Re: Ask HN: Is there hope for Microsoft 365 support?

#60
The issue was eventually solved by - creating a Microsoft account and subscribing to 365 - opening a support ticket - systematically escalating the issue with evidence of what was happening (message traces, example emails, etc) - pointing to evidence on other blogs/sites that discussed the same problems

Thank you all for the suggestions.

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