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Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Post by okkdev »

staticelf wrote: post #37
worble wrote: post #18

The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…

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It's such a funny and incredibly stupid rhetoric to blame the "woke".

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Post by wave-function »

crowselect wrote: post #43
staticelf wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Mozilla revenue in 2014, the year eich was made ceo: $329.6M Mozilla revenue in 2015, having “gone woke” and fired him: $421.3M Go woke go earn 28% more, i guess?

Not to throw this discussion on too long a tangent, but this honestly reads in exactly the same way as fawning comments about Putin "saving his country" by presiding over a period of record-high oil prices.

On the bright side, he and his cronies didn't steal absolutely everything, and some scraps made it to the rest of the population.

Mozilla's leadership is a cancer that will kill it, and will take the work of many good, talented technical people down the drain. IRL parallels abound.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Post by benrutter »

I think it's great that we're able to hold mozilla to higher standards than google, but I think there's a couple important points to mention:

- Leaving firefox for chrome due to privacy concerns only makes sense if chrome has better privacy, which it definitely doesn't. Recent changes might bring them closer together, but firefox is very far from catching up.

- We should compare firefox to chrome or firefox-based to chromium-based. Browsers like waterfox, pale moon, edge, brave all use source code from one browser but with different privacy, so it doesn't make sense to say "I don't like firefox so I'll use a chromium based one".

- Bonus extra point just because this is hacker news, check out Ladybird, it's making awesome progress!

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Post by staticelf »

okkdev wrote: post #51
staticelf wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's such a funny and incredibly stupid rhetoric to blame the "woke".

You come here to write that, but you never bother to tell us why?

The issue with "wokeness" is that the people who adhere to these ideologies tries to shoehorn it into every single aspect of their lives and to every single thing they possibly can. Everything must be political, everything is about what they think matter and so on.

That's why you see companies fail so massively when ruled by people like this. They can't help themselves and alienate people, completely unnecessary, and usually turn supporters into haters.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Post by TiredOfLife »

worble wrote: post #18

The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…

>there was barely any noise about it.

10 posts daily about it on HN.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Post by TiredOfLife »

worble wrote: post #18

The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…

>What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than the other players?

It's not the resources. It's their holier than thou attitude.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Post by wave-function »

achempion wrote: post #3

Orion uses webkit, not sponsored by ad revenue

> webkit, not sponsored by ad revenue

It is — AFAIK, Google pays Apple enough money for the default search engine deal to cover Safari development along with all its components.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Post by fredski42 »

Although Firefox is still the best to choose from a privacy standpunt currently, I am convinced the time will come where the sponsorship from Google will stop. Then Mozilla will likely not survive and the development of Firefox is left to the community. A browser is a pretty complex piece of software so I doubt the community will be able to maintain that.
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