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Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

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Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#51
I observed the same on me, and it bothered me for a long time.

besides the fact that todays society is way less capable to focus on long texts (spoken or read) but trained to constantly consume a permanent stream of quick, short, easy pieces, there may some points you can actually do yourself.

check the way you speak. intelligent people tend to speak like written texts, trying to perfectly formulate their speech, to be correct, not to be misunderstood, to respect complex correlations...thus producing complex monologues, strenous to follow. combined with monotonous sound it can be really narcotic to listeners. natural language is not for that. natural language is for dialogues. also "nerds" tend to focus on matter-of-fact texts, only, while interhuman communication is way more, happens on way more levels. don't underestimate the non-verbal communication! it happens, if talkers are aware of it, want to, or not.

respect your audiance; don't underestimate them. some tend to always explain elaborated every single detail for no reason. this not only produces superfluid text but make your listeners feel you think they're stupid. let them ask if they don't understand. try to involve them into your thoughts, to do the talking more interacting.

is what you're going to tell as important or fascinating to others as it's for you? also my wive fades out often when I talk; I am highly interested in technical stuff. she being from liberal arts is not. but when the topic is real important like relationship stuff she's always full online, and I benefit a lot about the things where she's more improved as me.

besides to simplify your speech, you may loosen it up, consider to put some - few, light - entertainment elements in, maybe even a joke - even in experts talks.

the lesser one speaks, the more focus he or she gets if she or he says something.

this can be elaborated way longer - but this is neither the place, nor right medium to do it.

so, the most important point:

don't take it personal, and above all not too serious. if you start to think it's because people think less of you, disrespect, or reject you, this may lead into depression. and it's wrong. most of the times it's simply people don't want to listen - to anybody. most people don't want to listen, they want to talk. for the rest: even simple rethoric workshops help a lot. check for evening classes or similar.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#52
So, your query is only about informal conversational speech. That’s tougher to master because it’s not about the speech at all but rather its almost exclusively about deference and dominance.

First, let’s be clear that some people are just sociopaths and assholes. If you were only speaking to empaths that listen well and deeply cared for your contributions in their entirety this problem would almost never arise and would be an accident when it does arise. So, let’s just focus on the assholes.

People interrupt you for typically selfish reasons, because they stopped listening to you want just want to hear their own voice out loud. That could be due to impatience, possibly autism or ADHD, or it could be because they don’t value you. This is especially tough when it comes from people that love you.

1. The most immediate solution is to dominate with assertiveness. When somebody cuts you off call it out. Be confrontational and directly identify the problem and that you don’t like it. This doesn’t have be impolite but must be firm and immediate. This will solve the problem most of the time because the person cutting you is probably unaware of their behavior, how you feel, and has probably done this to you multiple times in the past.

If the person challenges you then remain firm without excuses. Most people aren’t prepared for confrontation and will back off, but if they are an asshole the only goal is to embarrass them in public. You don’t need to embarrass them as their behavior will speak for itself. You just need to remain firm without excuses or compromise.

2. If you are squeezed out of conversation by people that aren’t listening you can always walk away. If you walk away and nobody notices then they were never listening to you in the first place. Any attempt to interject yourself will be a Pyrrhic victory that wastes your energy and erodes your credibility unless your goal is to start a fight. This is especially true in echo chambers.

If you walk away and somebody does notice it’s on them to determine what’s of higher value: you or the group. Let them own that choice. Later it’s up to you how to handle that, but you must handle it or let yourself continue to be a doormat.

3. Be aggressive. This always works but rarely in a positive way. I really recommend saving this as a last case scenario. When this happens if your first response is to punch someone in the face other people around you will get the message but at the same time nobody will want to engage with you. You are too intimidating and if you are not prepared for a fight could get your ass kicked if they are equally aggressive. But, this always works. As an example I recommend a movie called The Green Book.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#53

I used to have a soft voice and would constantly be spoken over, and not really listened to. I also look very young (I am late 30s and I still get IDed when buying alcohol). Some things that helped me: - I grew a beared that accentuated my jawline - When people would begin to interrupt me, I would continue on with my sentence regardless of them speaking, and I would finish my sentence. I would be prepared to let it g…

Fwiw I have a deep voice and have had a beard for more than ten years. I've read HtWFaIP and some other good self-help/pop psych. I spend lots of time talking (though often to captive or disinterested audiences). I do some meditation, and tick lots of the other obvious boxes. I still struggle with keeping people's attention and it's bad enough to bother me.

All I'm getting at is that if there's a silver bullet I haven't found it.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#54
In one-to-one conversations, what you and the other person are interested in really matters.

In group conversations, people don't care what you are interested in. They just want to hear where their interest lies at the beginning of the conversation. Once you catch their attention, they'll start giving input. Now it's your time to align their inputs with what you are interested in.

In public speaking and conversations like TED Talks and conferences, the communication methods are completely different.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#55
post #53

I used to have a soft voice and would constantly be spoken over, and not really listened to. I also look very young (I am late 30s and I still get IDed when buying alcohol). Some things that helped me: - I grew a beared that accentuated my jawline - When people would begin to interrupt me, I would continue on with my sentence regardless of them speaking, and I would finish my sentence. I would be prepared to let it g…

Fwiw I have a deep voice and have had a beard for more than ten years. I've read HtWFaIP and some other good self-help/pop psych. I spend lots of time talking (though often to captive or disinterested audiences). I do some meditation, and tick lots of the other obvious boxes. I still struggle with keeping people's attention and it's bad enough to bother me. All I'm getting at is that if there's a silver bullet I have…

Is it possible that it is the environment you are in? For me it was quite eye opening moving cities and suddenly seeing that people were a lot more interested in what I had to say. Sometimes it’s not you, and it really is everybody else.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#56
Focus on what other's have to say. The rest will follow.

However, the thing that really helped me, is to actually focus on telling a story or anecdote. A story should have a single insight and it should be about you, something that changed the way you think, or something that has been funny or profound.

The best books on that is Storyworthy by Matthew Dicks.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#57
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Things that have worked for me: modulate voice tone - lots of people tend to strive for a monotone voice for some reason, and it sounds rather boring and drone like; pyramid principle - start with the main thing and fill out details later, building up to something tends to make people drift off; brevity is the soul of wit - don't emphasize things by rephrasing ideas, don't hammer on points that have been made, don't…

I often have a monotone .. tone but all I get is yawning.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#58
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post #8

Things that have worked for me: modulate voice tone - lots of people tend to strive for a monotone voice for some reason, and it sounds rather boring and drone like; pyramid principle - start with the main thing and fill out details later, building up to something tends to make people drift off; brevity is the soul of wit - don't emphasize things by rephrasing ideas, don't hammer on points that have been made, don't…

> That's a key point. You're seeing things you find interesting as opportunities to add to the conversation. Flip this around, try to look for things that others would find interesting. Hard disagree. Don't try to be someone you are not. The most interesting TED talks are not held because the speaker found a topic you are interested in. They exist because the speaker has a fascination about something that he explored…

The most interesting TED talks (to you) are also presumably on topics that you’ve selected to watch. In random conversation, you may need to Taylor your responses to the situation. The idea that friends are the people who exclusively share topics of interest and therefore are infinitely interested in hearing each other speak is not realistic. This is a social skill that (s)he’s trying to develop.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#59
My experience is that, for whatever reason, social interactions require effort, often seemingly more effort than the reward you get. That's not to say you don't bother - they are fun and nice etc. but that easy interactions with conversations free-flowing are rare.

My rough playbook:

- make opportunities for people to talk. Ask them things they can talk about at length. People who feel heard are more likely to listen

- create social opportunities where participation doesn't rely on talking. Cinema, games, walks etc.

- value 1:1 meetings. The dynamics are very different.

- really value groups and people with whom interactions are effortlessly fun. There's a limited supply of people like that in my life, so I really cherish and appreciate them

It often feels like I'm providing more than 1/N of the effort and less than 1/N of the reward. But I concluded that

- I still prefer that to no social interactions

- it might be a perception thing. Everyone always feels like they are doing more than their fair share

As to why I happens to you... Maybe you happen to like people with particular characteristics? Also bear in mind, if there are N people and everyone speaks for 1/N of the time, actually that's very little time per person - but for me for example, instinctively I feel under-heard unless I'm talking 25-30%+ of the time.

As to your wife, you can just directly explain to her that in general you expect to be heard and paid attention to, just as you listen and pay attention to her. Or ask her what about your interaction leads to such attention lapses.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#60
If you are naturally introverted/ambiverted, then most 'How to Win Friends etc' advice isn't really made with you in mind.

This lady, however, might speak your language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHUrdELKjDw

There are a lot of quick, easily actionable tips in that conversation, combined with much more long term 'mindset' advice as well.

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