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Re: Ask HN: I don't want to code anymore. What else can I do?

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I'm taking a 9 month sabbatical next year so I can learn to enjoy coding again. It's not coding that bugs me, it's all the BS you have to deal with modern management practices that makes it unbearable. I did management a few times and didn't like it. Keep in mind that no matter what you do, if you're in a corporate environment, that's still going to be a problem.

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Damn, wish I had known about that 10+ years ago, I would have definitely done it.

Would probably be difficult to do that nowadays, although it's tempting. I doubt my partner would be comfortable with me being away from home that long, though. Even me going to a convention for a few days seems to be pushing it sometimes.

There used to be a monthly hacker night meetup near here at an app dev shop, and that was fun to go to and code around other people, but that died with the pandemic.

There was one time period about 20 years ago of about two months where I did a daily sabbatical to the library when I was in between jobs, and spent ~4 hours just working on my games each day (and I started the day with about an hour reading classic books before heading to the quiet work area). I remember growing a lot as a programmer then, and I released one Flash game and made major progress on another during that time.

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to code anymore. What else can I do?

#52
I've been at this point at least 4 times, each time I couldn't find anything else to pursue long-term that seemed all that compelling when I looked at even the cursory details/financial prospects/day-to-day. It's still on the table for the next time, and I'm keeping an open mind about it, but it would take full commitment.

The silver lining in being laid-off or fired numerous times, for spans of a year or more, is that I've been forced into re-thinking things and my relationship with coding and work. I don't think I'd be able to re-enter a coding job otherwise, it just gets miserable at a certain point, it's isolating, bad for your body, stressful at times; I do think this comes with anything you pursue for long-enough while trying to push yourself in some direction or another, unless you just get extremely lucky and it becomes entirely optional.

In those times, I've worked in random jobs (cafe, etc..) when they've come up, where I've had a different physical and organizational relationship with peers, solving different problems, using my body and communication skills differently, on different schedules, and I think that's absolutely crucial. A LOT of the time it's not as easy as you'd think; if you don't get rejected out of hand for a myriad of reasons, many jobs aren't as easy or as miserable as one would think from the outside. Volunteer work may also be incredibly rewarding. This is my recommendation to you, especially if you have some savings to fall back on for an extended period of time. It'll give you the space to consider things differently and get out of the headspace of being mired in code. Take up a challenging hobby and not-so challenging one, just to do anything else buy coding. Try to learn design or something in the visual arts to a serious level. Have an adventure.

Ultimately, I had the same thoughts as you earlier on in what can only vaguely be called a career, that coding is somehow intrinsically important and I should love it and it'll change the world or whatever crap, but later after numerous burnouts, I realized that coding is just whatever, it's text, it makes computers do things, who cares it's not that important. But it can still be compelling in various ways, and that's fine too, let the relationship be an organic one, and let it fight for your attention once you've put your attention elsewhere.

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to code anymore. What else can I do?

#53
I understand this frustration. I was a coder for ~4-5 years but wanted to try something different so I went to solutions engineering. I kind of regret it but it has given me exposure to a business / sales side of things and I’m very grateful. I found that I really like designing and architecting backends so I’m trying to get that role again. Best of luck to you!

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to code anymore. What else can I do?

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I think at some point in my life I'm going to quit programming and join a trade. Electrician sounds engaging, technical, and fun. The world will also never not need trades. After I retire, I want to pick up farming. It really sucks that most of us have to choose between doing something that we're interested in and doing something that pays the bills.

trades pay the bills too… very vey big bills too…

we choose to kill ourselves staring at the screens all day to make a few extra bucks ;)

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to code anymore. What else can I do?

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I can give you some advice. Imagine your favorite activity that you can do for free even on weekends. Look for such a job. I am a programmer from Russia. I live in Siberia. I have not been able to find a job for a year. I continue to look, but I have already started to do some part-time work. I participate in low-paid projects on image marking for training neural networks, checking the quality of their work. I wanted…

> Imagine your favorite activity that you can do for free even on weekends. Look for such a job. Sounds like a good way to start hating your favourite activity.

Yes, and no. It depends.

On the one hand, yes. Turning fun into work can rob you of the pleasure part. I do ceramics in as a hobby and it's fun. I'm not terribly good. The fun is in the random creation and seeing how it comes out. If I had to make 100 pots the same I'd go mad. I made one piece on commission and I didn't like that.

On the other hand, I started programming at 12 years old. I got my first programming job at 22. By then I was well practiced at my craft, and I loved the work part - the completion of projects, the conforming to customer requirements etc.

Thirty-something years later and I'm still programming. I still enjoy it. It still gets me out of bed, and it still challenges me. I've made a career put of doing something I love, and that's a huge blessing.

So yes, it can kill joy in something you love, or it can lead to a fulfilling career getting paid for doing the thing you like most. The latter though is a rare gift most of us are not given.

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to code anymore. What else can I do?

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My personal advice where I am 2/2 in being successful in this method: find business you actually believe in but has 0 technical staff. Start at bottom in general operations. Soak up everything from day 1 with the intention to build their IT on your own terms, not someone elses.

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to code anymore. What else can I do?

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I got sick of programming, so I switched to management and then technical writing, but soon realized that it is bureaucratic corporate America and its focus on process over achievement that I dislike. I then discovered that I do like programming. I just don’t want to do it with anyone else.

it's about culture. is Jira a tool to help us along the way to get us to achieve our goals, or are we slaves to the ticketing system in service of itself. some process is good, but when that becomes an end unto itself, that sinks everything. tools are to make our lives better, we're not here to make things better for our tools

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to code anymore. What else can I do?

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I feel that most of it is pointless. I'm past the stage where I can argue with people over stupid engineering architecture decisions. It's all full of BS and ego. Most people would rather die defending their favorite language/stack/framework than change their POV. I'm tired of wasting my time on countless meetings trying to "convince my engineering team-mates to write tests/use strongly typed languages/avoid new-age…

I get it. I freelance for small companies that don't have all of that nonsense, usually working directly for the owner or a stakeholder who can make decisions. I gave up with the technical arguments a long time ago, too much effort trying to swim against the current. You get less of that outside of the software industry -- I worked for a long time in enterprise logistics where the team had to focus a lot more on solv…

I've worked for my own company for 30-some years. Occasionally I consult for a big corporate.

Each consulting gig reminds me why I'm not cut out for that world. It's everything coding is not. But when a corporate hires me to write some code, I understand that the corporate BS is the job .

I still love coding. But working for a corporate is not coding (at any level). Coding is what you get to do when there's a gap between meetings.

I know jobs are hard to get right now. But you might find more joy working in a small company, with people who already fit your preferred tech choices. I will say there's somewhat less job security and a lot less pay, but equally there's no bs and there's more freedom to actually code.

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to code anymore. What else can I do?

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My personal advice where I am 2/2 in being successful in this method: find business you actually believe in but has 0 technical staff. Start at bottom in general operations. Soak up everything from day 1 with the intention to build their IT on your own terms, not someone elses.

Nah. Unless I get a real fat equity and a nice paycheck. Most of such business offer neither, and in this case I prefer to build something of my own

Re: Ask HN: I don't want to code anymore. What else can I do?

#60

Try teaching and lecturing position. You'll do minimum coding unless you want to code for fun and try new ideas. If you have research funding you can become the project lead but the pressure is much less than industry since only prototyping demo not shipping. The academic institutions will really appreciate your experiences and students as well. I wish all the best for whatever you decided to do.

Thanks. Teaching does not pay as good as tech. Pity, but this is the world we live in
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