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Re: Ask HN: How would you launch a privacy-first, Instagram-like social network?

#51
The concept of "privacy-first" and that of a social network like Instagram or TikTok with celebrities and influencers seem incompatible to me.

The entire point of such a social network is to be public, exposure is the point, not privacy. You want to broadcast your content to the entire world, you want recognition in terms of "likes" or for the luckiest, money, you don't go there to keep secrets.

For a privacy-first social network, usually what people want is to form smaller groups where people know each other. Think more like Discord than Instagram, or for a more privacy-focused alternative Matrix.

Alternatively, maybe take a look at OnlyFans. They are quite successful and don't depend on ad revenue, and considering what they do, I think people care about privacy.

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#52

Apple photos is my privacy first social network. I have "shared albums" with my families, different friend/hobby groups. There is an activity feed so whenever someone shares a photo I get a notification, can like like, comment. It just has the basic features and works really well. Here's the thing, I pay $40 a month for the icloud bundle. So technically they've monetized it already. I've always wondered if others use…

For me it's just plain old texting group chats, which compared to texting in the old days, is not so bad with RCS messaging. It's free (with cellphone plan), no ads, chronological timeline, private, can send dumb videos and memes all day long while connected to WiFi.

I think this is the reason why "social media" seems so dead now. People stopped posting publicly (for obvious reasons) and almost all of the "social" web is in private group chats. People don't want their life broadcast permanently and prolifically anymore, and they want to share it with just a subset of their friends. The only people left posting to the "public web" are attention seekers, scammers, influencers, people that don't know any better.

Re: Ask HN: How would you launch a privacy-first, Instagram-like social network?

#53
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There exists a federated Instagram clone in case you want to look at previous attempts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixelfed

How is this private? As far as I'm aware, federation tends to be opposite to privacy because there can't be centralized control of access. e.g. none of the federated social media support private profiles but Instagram does, so Instagram is actually more private than most of these.

"Privacy" here means "no big tech will be tracking me and trying to shove ads down users' throats", not that the published content is protected from public view.

Re: Ask HN: How would you launch a privacy-first, Instagram-like social network?

#54
Social networks are social advertising networks.

A privacy-first solution by its nature is unlikely to benefit from network effects. You don’t organically discover content that has to be explicitly shared with you.

So they way to do it is to already have a network or platform and then allow private photo sharing. E.g. Apple Photos built on the iOS ecosystem or if WhatsApp had a photo feed.

One idea would be to sell photo-sharing tech to a non-US messaging app that’s popular abroad like Viber or CacaoTalk or that serves some niche community. (Photo-sharing for low-bandwidth users in developing countries?) Maybe it aggregates shared photos into an ergonomic feed or something. But they could just copy that themselves; it’s hard to monetize an improved UX directly without the data/community to power it.

Re: Ask HN: How would you launch a privacy-first, Instagram-like social network?

#56

Apple photos is my privacy first social network. I have "shared albums" with my families, different friend/hobby groups. There is an activity feed so whenever someone shares a photo I get a notification, can like like, comment. It just has the basic features and works really well. Here's the thing, I pay $40 a month for the icloud bundle. So technically they've monetized it already. I've always wondered if others use…

Exactly. Privacy-first networks (like OP using WhatsApp) already exist and are in use and are $FREE.

Re: Ask HN: How would you launch a privacy-first, Instagram-like social network?

#57
Hopefully you make an amazing product and I’m rooting for you, but privacy is probably not a killer feature for social media.

I’d focus on finding an amazing new way to rethink how usage works and privacy can be a nice afterthought. But know this is possibly the most competitive consumer software space in existence.

Re: Ask HN: How would you launch a privacy-first, Instagram-like social network?

#59

Hi, I built one of these a few years ago. Poured my life savings into it. You’re about to get a very tough education on who uses social networks and why they do it. It has nothing to do with privacy. Would urge you to not bother.

Some evidence of why not to bother:

1. Tar Pit Ideas: https://youtu.be/GMIawSAygO4

2. Tar Pit Ideas, the Sequel: https://youtu.be/GU9iT7MW0rs

Re: Ask HN: How would you launch a privacy-first, Instagram-like social network?

#60
> by far the most common mistake startups make is to solve problems no one has. - Paul Graham [1]

I think this proposal points at an interesting issue that I see crop up often on sites like HN. It goes (I think) like this: 1) "I care deeply about what I perceive to be a problem." 2) Extrapolates onto some large critical mass of people, 3) That critical mass of people does not actually agree with the problem statement in any way, 4) Build a solution, never gets meaningful traction, misdiagnoses the root cause of the failure.

I'm not saying this to dump on this idea. Rather, I think it is a meaningful bias that all humans are vulnerable too. But I do think that filter bubbles amplify whatever this bias is to a powerful degree. If you are surrounded by people who are obsessed with privacy, it seems like everyone is inflamed by the economic model of social networks. But, outside the small filter bubble, most other people don't care at all or actually think its a great model.

Having said all of that, maybe a way to test whether you are experiencing this bias is to interview or collect information from as close to a random sample of social media users as possible. The more random the better. If you find yourself talking to people in SF/Seattle or people in the tech industry, that's a sure sign you have a bad sample. When you talk to them, don't ask leading questions that will bias them. Try to understand what their unbiased views on the problems (if any) are with social networks. Maybe you ask them what their best friend thinks so as to try to sidestep preference falsification. If you discover a consistent problem, maybe you're onto something. But then, you're still up against a world saturated with social networks, and convincing people to pay for something they get for free will be very, very hard. I think, ultimately, the only way you'll discover whether the problems you may have found are really important or not is if you can convince anyone to pay you. I suspect it will be a Sisyphean endeavor.

[1] https://paulgraham.com/startupideas.html

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