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Re: Ask HN: Is there a list of grey-hair-friendly IT companies?

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Post by jacknews »

e_i_pi_2 wrote: post #41

I think the biggest thing that I haven't seen in another comment is that companies aren't being explicitly ageist, they just want cheaper labor and younger/less experienced people are willing to work for less money. I'm sure plenty of companies would be more than happy if you said "I have decades of experience but I'll take the salary of a junior position". Without something similar to a union or a change in laws to…

It's not just about salary.

Of course the assumption is that they have to pay more for more experience.

But it's also about perceived power and control. Younger workers are seen as more compliant, and many managers do not feel comfortable hiring underlings who are older.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a list of grey-hair-friendly IT companies?

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Post by ipaddr »

greentxt wrote: post #37
RockRobotRock wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Have you asked yourself why you hang out on this website given how you feel about startups? Maybe they just like technology.

Is that ok though? Some would say "that's not what hn is for." I've read that a lot. Usually the follow up is something about folks being intellectually curious, not just people who "like technology." I think this comes up a lot and isn't so clear cut as many claim it to be.

Plenty of different groups and one of them are developers burned out after a startup job.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a list of grey-hair-friendly IT companies?

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Post by jacknews »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #31

Actually the Venn diagram of remote jobs and not being bothered by one's age pretty much overlaps. Remote work has a way of prioritizing professionalism and solid communication over in person social signaling which is likely to help be anti-ageist. So the list you posted: https://github.com/remoteintech/remote-jobs Should be a good place to start

Perhaps, but online seems to be a race to the bottom.

The list of age-friendly industries others are posting are difficult remote - insurance, banking, defense, education - all usually need to be in-person due to security/data concerns.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a list of grey-hair-friendly IT companies?

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Post by throwaway211 »

rightbyte wrote: post #35
999900000999 wrote: post #10

You want old finance companies. In fact any company older that 30 probably won't care. I'm not a grey hair yet, but I actively hate startups. We aren't changing the world, we're helping cat photos load 3 milliseconds faster...

> we're helping cat photos load 3 milliseconds faster... No. You don't load cat pictures faster by surrounding it with spyware and choose the cat pic with data from said spyware.

Why were cats not used for NFTs?

The question verges on the rhetorical.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a list of grey-hair-friendly IT companies?

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Post by pipes »

999900000999 wrote: post #10

You want old finance companies. In fact any company older that 30 probably won't care. I'm not a grey hair yet, but I actively hate startups. We aren't changing the world, we're helping cat photos load 3 milliseconds faster...

And finance companies offer better pensions and benefits than anywhere else I've seen in the UK. Plus real life useful domain knowledge. Now I'm older I prefer working with older staff, seems to be less bullshit.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a list of grey-hair-friendly IT companies?

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Post by tjansen »

nopelynopington wrote: post #56
ahartmetz wrote: post #8

I think there's less ageism in Europe - I'm German and in Germany and I don't hear the same stories as on HN about that. Pay is lower, though.

Maybe lower pay but you don't have to pay for healthcare there right?

You do. It's about 15% of the first 5775 EUR of your monthly salary. Officially it's split between employer and employee, so on your payslip you see only 8% if you are not self-employed.

Co-payments are very low though. Dental is partially included. Kids are included, wife/husband also if they are not employed.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a list of grey-hair-friendly IT companies?

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Post by tjansen »

vitaminCPP wrote: post #48
e_i_pi_2 wrote: post #41

I think the biggest thing that I haven't seen in another comment is that companies aren't being explicitly ageist, they just want cheaper labor and younger/less experienced people are willing to work for less money. I'm sure plenty of companies would be more than happy if you said "I have decades of experience but I'll take the salary of a junior position". Without something similar to a union or a change in laws to…

This is match my experiences. Saddly, bad middle manager wants to hire a yesman (or women). Not an experienced engineer that will challenge them by highlighting to upper management the project technical debt, the lack of tests or the broken CD pipeline.

Frankly no one wants to hire an engineer who highlights technical debt or a lack of tests without being asked for it. This kind of negative people is annoying and IMHO is indeed a reason why employers hesitate to employ older employees. Many are a pain in the... (and I say that as someone who's turning grey as well)

Most employers want to hire someone who actively improves things, someone who solves issues, and not someone who just complaints about them and makes demands.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a list of grey-hair-friendly IT companies?

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Post by penguin_booze »

tjansen wrote: post #58
vitaminCPP wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is match my experiences. Saddly, bad middle manager wants to hire a yesman (or women). Not an experienced engineer that will challenge them by highlighting to upper management the project technical debt, the lack of tests or the broken CD pipeline.

Frankly no one wants to hire an engineer who highlights technical debt or a lack of tests without being asked for it. This kind of negative people is annoying and IMHO is indeed a reason why employers hesitate to employ older employees. Many are a pain in the... (and I say that as someone who's turning grey as well) Most employers want to hire someone who actively improves things, someone who solves issues, and not s…

Seeing and raising red flags as and when they arise--or even better, even before they arise--is the hallmark of a good employee. If you don't want to hire one such, good luck. That said, there's a difference between flagging and nagging. Again, a good one will know the difference.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a list of grey-hair-friendly IT companies?

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Post by loco5niner »

loco5niner wrote: post #49
jejeyyy77 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you don't want to make the world a better place by reinventing the way people do email??

Email is already good, please don't "fix" it.

Whoops, looks like I missed the sarcasm.
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