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Re: Ask HN: Anyone left their job because of RTO?

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Post by aaomidi »

doix wrote: post #40
intelVISA wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#3 must be fun for tax purposes 1&2 are non-negotiable

I always wonder how #2 works, does all/most communication happen asynchronously? Doesn't that just slow everything down? 1&3 are more important to me than 2. I just plan my location by thinking about the hours I want to work. If I go East, I shift my day forward, if I go West, I shift my day back (apart from some extremes I guess). I can't imagine all/most discussion async. I much prefer things to get discussed and r…

async means a lot of things for different people.

For me it’s not doing the “syncs” in a specific time. I huddle up with a coworker if I need something figured out. If the person I need to talk to isn’t there I talk to the next person with the closest experience in what I need to do.

This makes collaboration a lot more effective and organic for me instead of trying to fill in a 30’ slot.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone left their job because of RTO?

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Post by [deleted] »

Simon_ORourke wrote: post #45
snailb wrote: post #3

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I feel your pain. The market is bleak at the moment. I checked linkedin a few times and it seems remote jobs are decreasing for some reason.

About a month back a manager on my team was hiring for a senior dev role - she was talking to HR about the job spec, and HR recommended only advertizing the role as a junior dev "since senior/principal devs will invariably apply". Bleak is the word!

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone left their job because of RTO?

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Post by rshah_45 »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #26
Spivak wrote: post #24

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This captures exactly the split I've seen at my office. If you have a social life outside of work you are probably strongly WFH because why would you spend your social energy with coworkers when you have friends you like and chose. But for people for whom work is life and what little social interaction they get is at work you're strongly RTO because that's your lifeline. And our current CEO moved states for this job…

For me it's actually been the opposite. I enjoyed the social interaction in my job and it didn't really affect my ability to see friends and family after work or at the weekend. Since WFH became commonplace most of them have moved out of the city so it's actually harder now because my friends live all over the place. It also feels like people are less likely to go out in general now. My comment was more about the fac…

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone left their job because of RTO?

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Post by em-bee »

Simon_ORourke wrote: post #43
user68858788 wrote: post #17

I allowed myself to be fired for not returning. It took over a full year after the RYO deadline for the firing to happen.

What was the reason they gave for your firing in the end? Some trumped-up poor performance or for being "non-engaged" with work or something like that?

that one is technically easy: employee did not show up at the designated workplace. they abandoned their job. never mind that they actually did the work asked of them. if it's not done at the designated workplace, it doesn't count. they could even have demanded back the salaries paid for that time.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone left their job because of RTO?

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Post by em-bee »

Simon_ORourke wrote: post #45
snailb wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel your pain. The market is bleak at the moment. I checked linkedin a few times and it seems remote jobs are decreasing for some reason.

About a month back a manager on my team was hiring for a senior dev role - she was talking to HR about the job spec, and HR recommended only advertizing the role as a junior dev "since senior/principal devs will invariably apply". Bleak is the word!

huh? what would be the benefit of that strategy? being able to low ball the offers because a senior dev applying for a junior position must be desperate?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone left their job because of RTO?

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Post by Simon_ORourke »

em-bee wrote: post #56
Simon_ORourke wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About a month back a manager on my team was hiring for a senior dev role - she was talking to HR about the job spec, and HR recommended only advertizing the role as a junior dev "since senior/principal devs will invariably apply". Bleak is the word!

huh? what would be the benefit of that strategy? being able to low ball the offers because a senior dev applying for a junior position must be desperate?

When I was told I immediately presumed that it's some low balling strategy alright.

"Well I appreciate you were paid X as a senior dev in your last role, but the compensation range for this more JUNIOR role is Y".

Re: Ask HN: Anyone left their job because of RTO?

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Post by hollerith »

Simon_ORourke wrote: post #57
em-bee wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

huh? what would be the benefit of that strategy? being able to low ball the offers because a senior dev applying for a junior position must be desperate?

When I was told I immediately presumed that it's some low balling strategy alright. "Well I appreciate you were paid X as a senior dev in your last role, but the compensation range for this more JUNIOR role is Y".

So the company instituting the RTO mandate feels altruistic towards the companies its engineers might jump to next?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone left their job because of RTO?

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Post by wavemode »

Simon_ORourke wrote: post #42
wavemode wrote: post #12

Company wanted me to not only return to office, but also move to the west coast. Leaving was a no-brainer. But the job market is really shit. In the past I've left jobs and got new offers in a week. This time around I was out of work for almost three months.

> This time around I was out of work for almost three months. I'm curious as to what your experience was when chatting with recruiters while job-hunting about being fully remote? Did you next company advertize as remote-first?

I don't even care that much about full remote, I just don't want to move across the country right now. I interviewed for several in-person jobs, in and around the city I currently live, as well as remote jobs.

The job I eventually got is fully remote.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone left their job because of RTO?

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Post by user68858788 »

Simon_ORourke wrote: post #43
user68858788 wrote: post #17

I allowed myself to be fired for not returning. It took over a full year after the RYO deadline for the firing to happen.

What was the reason they gave for your firing in the end? Some trumped-up poor performance or for being "non-engaged" with work or something like that?

Their reason was that I didn’t comply with the RTO policy. It didn’t prevent me from claiming unemployment though.
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