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Re: Ask HN: Do quality web graphics, design and layout actually help businesses?

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There are many roads to the cheese. Cold calling, for example, works. I've never done it and if I suggested it to my (very successful) clients they'd laugh in my face, but it is an enormous business. A lot of businesses can get away with terrible websites for the same reason I can get away with terrible business cards: 99.8% of the business is elsewhere. If you're Nobu your website could be done by a 4th grader in Fl…

what designers like about designs is in many cases orthogonal to their effectiveness in convincing customers to enter business relationships You have there, in a nutshell, the difference between the outlook of good and bad designers. Bad designers care about whether they like the design. Good designers care about whether the end-user likes the design.

The best designers care about how the design helps you make more money or get more customers.

Should a site look good? Absolutely. It never hurts anything to look better. Can a site look ugly? Absolutely. If your business is strong enough, there's no amount of bad design that can hurt it.

The main thing though, is that more attractive designs don't necessarily convert better. People think they do, because you're turned off by ugly designs, and for sure, if you've got two sites up that share the same interface, and one is prettier than the other, the prettier one will likely win your business. But if you take those same sites, and have better copy on the ugly site, it may well convert better. If your pretty design is hard to use, it may well lose.

So yeah, if your web designer cares more about the end user or themselves than whether the design is effective, then you're paying for the wrong thing.

Re: Ask HN: Do quality web graphics, design and layout actually help businesses?

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post #13

There are many roads to the cheese. Cold calling, for example, works. I've never done it and if I suggested it to my (very successful) clients they'd laugh in my face, but it is an enormous business. A lot of businesses can get away with terrible websites for the same reason I can get away with terrible business cards: 99.8% of the business is elsewhere. If you're Nobu your website could be done by a 4th grader in Fl…

I waffle back and forth between agreeing with you and disagreeing with you as I've asked myself that same question time and time again. Right now I agree with the one caveat being that awful design can only pass when the information presented is well organized and easily found. I've seen designers changing tens of thousands for sites that look like they were built using a 90's style WYSIWYG editor measurably boost bu…

Right now I agree with the one caveat being that awful design can only pass when the information presented is well organized and easily found.

That's not awful design.

Re: Ask HN: Do quality web graphics, design and layout actually help businesses?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"1. Someone in the executives actually likes the site the way it is." That one is probably the main reason why companies stick with awful-looking websites. I'll never cease to be amazed at how many people have no design sense or eye whatsoever and genuinely cannot see the difference between an absolutely horrendous-looking logo or page and a well designed one. In fact, not only can they not see the difference but I o…

if they also sell to people that think those flyers are amazing then is it really a problem for them?

No, it's not a problem per se, why? It's just one of the reason why crappy design still abound, which was the OP's question.

Re: Ask HN: Do quality web graphics, design and layout actually help businesses?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I waffle back and forth between agreeing with you and disagreeing with you as I've asked myself that same question time and time again. Right now I agree with the one caveat being that awful design can only pass when the information presented is well organized and easily found. I've seen designers changing tens of thousands for sites that look like they were built using a 90's style WYSIWYG editor measurably boost bu…

Right now I agree with the one caveat being that awful design can only pass when the information presented is well organized and easily found. That's not awful design.

> That's not awful design.

Exactly!

IMHO Ginny Redish is the woman leading designers and communicators out of the illusion of aesthetic masturbation and murky messaging toward clarity of signal and plain comprehension. I highly suggest that anyone using the web to communicate read her book "Letting Go of the Words":

http://www.redish.net/books/letting-go-of-the-words

Re: Ask HN: Do quality web graphics, design and layout actually help businesses?

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what designers like about designs is in many cases orthogonal to their effectiveness in convincing customers to enter business relationships You have there, in a nutshell, the difference between the outlook of good and bad designers. Bad designers care about whether they like the design. Good designers care about whether the end-user likes the design.

The best designers care about how the design helps you make more money or get more customers. Should a site look good? Absolutely. It never hurts anything to look better. Can a site look ugly? Absolutely. If your business is strong enough, there's no amount of bad design that can hurt it. The main thing though, is that more attractive designs don't necessarily convert better. People think they do, because you're turn…

Speaking from a strictly results-based perspective, sometimes looking better can indeed hurt some user actions. See the recent study on slick, professional ads on Plenty of Fish vs MS Paint ads.

But I'm nitpicking. From what I've seen, in 99% of cases looking more pro helps.

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