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Re: Ask HN: Those who have recently undertaken a job hunt, what was your experience?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would raise a lot of eyebrows in the UK. Hiring managers might wonder what you’re hiding.

Let them wonder. They're wondering on paid time, the potential candidates aren't

They just wouldn't put you forward most of the time. Having gaps larger than 6 months here (especially if it's in the last decade) is a big red flag. I don't know why, but this has been my experience and others I've spoken to.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have recently undertaken a job hunt, what was your experience?

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Mixed bag. 2020 was my best year ever job wise, I was making a stupid amount of money. In 2023 I took a massive pay cut, we're talking over 50k, but it's still better than nothing. Now I'm somewhat close to my peak, fully remote. Not the most I've ever earned, but in very comfortable.

Did you take the paycut to go fully remote, or were there other circumstances leading to that change?

So many factors, but the gist is the market was really really bad last year.

Now I'm making more and I'm pretty comfortable.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have recently undertaken a job hunt, what was your experience?

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There's a huge push to get everyone back into the office 5 days a week. Be prepared to be told NO remote work. I have a similar experience to the previous comment, applied to about 50 jobs and got 2 interviews. Removed all dates from my resume and now I'm getting interviews left and right because they can't tell how "senior" I am.

Did you also remove some roles so that it looks like you're younger? I've heard that is the only way to get interviews these days as senior cvs are getting thrown out (too old, too expensive)

I thought they weren't hiring entry level devs anymore because the higher ups think that AI can do those jobs?

Re: Ask HN: Those who have recently undertaken a job hunt, what was your experience?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IDK about this guy, maybe just trolling, but when I was hiring I realized you can really tell from indirect information. Name and college name will give you a real strong guess. It was weird because I was just trying to avoid h1-b applicants since I was told we weren't doing that, but I quickly realized that I was optimizing against indian people and also that taking bias out of the hiring process is a lie that HR te…

Yeah, you can’t really filter based on resume without risking legal liability. There are plenty of people who look like they would need a visa sponsorship but don’t necessarily (e.g. spouses of H1B or green card holders)

...or children of Indian immigrants.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have recently undertaken a job hunt, what was your experience?

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I applied to over 70 jobs at Hampshire college, UMass Amherst, Mt Holyoke College and Amherst College. All open positions, not 1 interview. I'm a white man. I finally took my race, and gender off the application and got 3 interviews right away

Such is life. Not only do they not want to hire you from a dei perspective, many of the foreign engineers from India/China, also do not want to hire you. They want to hire their overseas brethren.

You were downvoted, and while I think DEI has some good aspects, your 2nd point is spot on because I've seen it in person at a largish, household name tech company. You see Indian managers who only have Indian engineers working for them and you see Chinese managers who only have Chinese engineers working for them. Go through the cafeteria at lunchtime and you see it pretty much ethnically sorted - the Indians aren't sitting with the Chinese, and vice versa. Now it wasn't 100%, I worked for a guy who was ethnically Chinese from Malaysia and he had Indians and whities like me working for him. But if I saw in internal job listing that looked interesting and the manager was Indian, for example, I'd look at the org chart to see the names of the people working for them to see if it was an all-Indian group. If it was then there wasn't much point in applying.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have recently undertaken a job hunt, what was your experience?

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While I nuked my LinkedIn about 8 years ago because I was 1-2 from 96% of Silicon Valley and spammed by un-targeted recruiters incessantly... more importantly, my contacts and I didn't talk so keeping it was meaningless performative business theater.

MAANG companies (excluding N) are requiring relocation and RTO (hybrid, near an office). Also, their tone has shifted to where their recruiters feel like they hold a monopoly on in the business relationship power dynamic.

Perhaps shrinking corporate real estate holdings of properties and lease should be prioritized over burdening employees with additional relocation, commuting, and housing costs.

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Pretty freaking terrible. I've never before had to send out more than a handful of resumes to get a new job... but right now I'm getting nothing back. Well, not quite nothing - I've gotten a few recruiters asking me to commute 2 hours for hourly body shop gigs. But nothing realistic. My advice is to just keep working on it - send out resumes, write cover letters for the ones that look promising, A/B test different re…

> A/B test different resume formats

I've heard this advice a few times now, but how can you possibly know whether any differences in your resume actually result in different outcomes? Unless you notice a really extreme difference in success rate over a long period of time, it seems like the sample size is just too small to draw any conclusions.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have recently undertaken a job hunt, what was your experience?

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Pretty freaking terrible. I've never before had to send out more than a handful of resumes to get a new job... but right now I'm getting nothing back. Well, not quite nothing - I've gotten a few recruiters asking me to commute 2 hours for hourly body shop gigs. But nothing realistic. My advice is to just keep working on it - send out resumes, write cover letters for the ones that look promising, A/B test different re…

> A/B test different resume formats I've heard this advice a few times now, but how can you possibly know whether any differences in your resume actually result in different outcomes? Unless you notice a really extreme difference in success rate over a long period of time, it seems like the sample size is just too small to draw any conclusions.

I do it via LinkedIn - I track how many views and search hits I get in a week, then switch up the resume, see if I get more the next week.

I have zero guarantee that this works, btw. But I figure if I'm not getting the results I want, I may as well change things up and see if anything changes.

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It’s bad. I’m looking for a front end position - it’s never taken me more than four or five months in the past, and I have more experience and sharper skills now than ever before… and it’s been almost eight months currently. Maybe only 50% of applications out of hundreds even prompt a “thank you but no” form email. It’s almost never personal either, since everyone proxies their hiring process through big job board si…

If I may give the perspective from the other side of the job board, here in France: We pay hundreds or thousands per month, and are flooded with immigrants applications, none of which we can drop before ensuring that they do, indeed, need a visa. When I say flooded, it’s 99% of applications from foreign people who need a visa (and discrimination by address is equally illegal).

So yes, we have quantity over quality with those job boards, LinkedIn and so on, and we had to hire someone to deal with the flow.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have recently undertaken a job hunt, what was your experience?

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I got sacked at a W2 contract position at the end of December. It took me 2 full months to secure something. I have 20 years experience in C++. Lots of time-wasting overseas recruiters using scammy tactics, had 3 interviews total, and got one offer. It was scary because I couldn't tell if the slowness was due to my resume (I appear as a job hopper), normal wintertime slowdown in hiring, or a depression in the market.…

FWIW being a "job hopper" doesn't seem to be a negative anymore, and may even be seen as a positive now. From what I've read, if your application makes it to human eyeballs at all, they're more likely to view a long role at one company as stagnation.

Yeah in theory if my average tenure has been 1-2 years, I should be desirable because I won't stay long enough to want a raise or try to take any leadership roles from anyone. I'm basically a contractor but without the higher pay.
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