Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Have humans always found socialising so challenging?

news.ycombinator.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–57 of 57 posts

Re: Ask HN: Have humans always found socialising so challenging?

#51

Post by huytersd »

jncfhnb wrote: post #27
bluishgreen wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have citation, but I concur with the GP, I grew up in the east, and it is far easier to socialize and also form deep friendships because everything is said out in the open and not hidden behind layers of decorum. Here is an example and a demonstration. As an example people are allowed to comment on someone being too heavy or too thin with them present. Here is the demonstration: Now as soon as I gave an examp…

You have cited one example of a hang up in the west that is not common in the east. That is not evidence that the east lacks hang ups. Example: being openly gay. Demonstration: so taboo it’s illegal in some countries

There’s plenty of bigotry like that but that’s part of being able to say what you like. I guess the idea is that a small minority has a pretty bad experience in life but the overwhelming majority feel content and speak their mind.

Re: Ask HN: Have humans always found socialising so challenging?

#52

Post by swat535 »

zkirill wrote: post #18
mepian wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name a few such places?

Try any Spanish speaking country.

Or Anywhere in the Middle East as well.

Source: I'm from Middle East, wife is Spanish. You can imagine the fun chaos we had at our wedding as our two families united.

Re: Ask HN: Have humans always found socialising so challenging?

#53

Post by jncfhnb »

huytersd wrote: post #51
jncfhnb wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have cited one example of a hang up in the west that is not common in the east. That is not evidence that the east lacks hang ups. Example: being openly gay. Demonstration: so taboo it’s illegal in some countries

There’s plenty of bigotry like that but that’s part of being able to say what you like. I guess the idea is that a small minority has a pretty bad experience in life but the overwhelming majority feel content and speak their mind.

Hilarious take imo

Re: Ask HN: Have humans always found socialising so challenging?

#54

Post by huytersd »

jncfhnb wrote: post #53
huytersd wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s plenty of bigotry like that but that’s part of being able to say what you like. I guess the idea is that a small minority has a pretty bad experience in life but the overwhelming majority feel content and speak their mind.

Hilarious take imo

I don’t think it’s particularly funny but it is true.

Re: Ask HN: Have humans always found socialising so challenging?

#56

Post by randomdata »

jncfhnb wrote: post #48
randomdata wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps, but "citation needed" is always just an attempt to shut down those who don't fit the 'decorum'. It adds nothing to the conversation and is not good faith forum participation. There is no quote taken that could be cited, and there never is. The request is impossible to fulfill. Of course, that's the point. This anti-social "unless your words come from someone I respect, I don't want to talk to you" behaviour…

It has nothing to do with decorum. It is simply a way to point out that someone’s assertion is unwarranted by presented evidence (often none) and aggressive. It’s far better faith to ask for some evidence than to rebuttal with “No, you’re wrong”, which is equally dumb. If you can’t support a claim, you shouldn’t assert it as a fact.

> It is simply a way to point out that someone’s assertion is unwarranted by presented evidence (often none) and aggressive.

There was nothing unwarranted or aggressive about the idea presented originally. It may not be true, but who cares? The purpose of discussion is not simply to tell truths. Nobody wants to hear that 1+1=2. That's pointless and boring. The purpose of discussion is to explore ideas and see what that uncovers.

“No, you’re wrong” is quite dumb too, yes, but a rational person would not respond with either. Instead, they would present their own take and provide something meaningful. If they really cannot find anything of value to respond with, they would not respond at all.

> If you can’t support a claim, you shouldn’t assert it as a fact.

If you can support a claim, why bother asserting it at all? You already know it to be a fact. You are not going to learn that it is an extra double fact. Once you know something to be a fact, it ends there. There is nothing more you can do with that.

When people assert something, you fundamentally know they are not quite sure about it. It is why they are still talking about it, and why they aren't just going around saying 1+1=2 all day long.

Post reply on HN