Ask HN: Is the job market is bad as everyone claims it is? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market is bad as everyone claims it is?

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Post by hasty_pudding » Thu, Feb 01, 2024, 3:17 AM UTC

paulddraper wrote: post #25

hasty_pudding wrote: post #20

Companies have gone super saiyan on outsourcing. Its a nightmare for generalists, newbies, web devs, front end, run of the mill cloud and sysadmin. Literally worst in history possibly. Anything that can be easily outsourced to an Indian or Latam candidate If you have a security clearance that cant be outsourced or use pytorch everyday youre prob fine. If youre a specialist on some field its never been better. I think…

You think worse than dot-com? 2008?

I've been in the industry a decade and I've never seen this many job postings in Bangalore. just go look at any tech companies career page.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market is bad as everyone claims it is?

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Post by rcbdev » Thu, Feb 01, 2024, 6:34 AM UTC

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #49

techcode wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like USA centric POV? It was not until several years ago that software developers in Europe finally reached the mythical 100K per year compensation range, that's been common in USA for more than a decade before that. And that's in rather expensive Western Europe (e.g. €1500+ per month for one kid/toddler daycare), and not "cheaper" Southern/Eastern Europe.

Every POV is USA centric. This is a USA web zone. Nowhere else matters.

> Nowhere else matters. Until the California people want to move somewhere liveable with good public transport, low crime, low poverty/homelessness and sensible social safety for their children.

Then - and only then - does Europe miraculously become interesting. Who knew?

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market is bad as everyone claims it is?

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Post by cranberryturkey » Thu, Feb 01, 2024, 7:45 AM UTC

seattleman12345 wrote: post #29

cranberryturkey wrote: post #2

its the worst i've seen since 2000

Agree that this is worse. 2000 was just layoffs, now it's that + offshoring which IMHO is ruining the tech industry

i'll vote for trump if he stops h1b

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market is bad as everyone claims it is?

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Post by cranberryturkey » Thu, Feb 01, 2024, 1:14 PM UTC

mypalmike wrote: post #22

cranberryturkey wrote: post #2

its the worst i've seen since 2000

Personally, I think it's worse than 2000. There are so many more actually talented engineers now competing for each job. The dot com boom and bust cycle was famous for people being hired (and then laid off) who had little to no background in software. I don't see that being the case now. It's possible my interview and other skills have declined, but after being rejected only once in the first 25 years of my career (w…

I think its the AI screening...I don't have a ton of keywords in my resume, and for the last 1.5 years I haven't been getting shit for interviews, which is about when AI started getting rolled out.

I guess its back to good ol' keyword stuff the resume again. jfc

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market is bad as everyone claims it is?

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Post by tlivolsi » Thu, Feb 01, 2024, 2:54 PM UTC

hasty_pudding wrote: post #21

tlivolsi wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a HPC system administrator at a DoE lab.

Does that require a security clearance? Because that would keep you safe from outsourcing.

It doesn't, but outsourcing isn't a thing that happens in this area of focus, especially at a national laboratory.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market is bad as everyone claims it is?

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Post by fl0ki » Thu, Feb 01, 2024, 3:57 PM UTC

The US market in particular seems to be the worst in decades, but I'm not seeing the same in other markets. Friends in Australia hopped around in the last couple of years and are very happy with their conditions and total comp.

It doesn't help that Google fires several companies worth of people sometimes, and they flood the market, and most of them are good at being hired.

As always, the best thing you can do is be the best engineer you can be. Companies are still hiring, and while supply outstrips demand more than usual, you should always try to be the best unit of supply you can be.