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Re: Ask HN: How do you manage photos, philosophically?

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This sounds insane, but hear me out. If you take photos on film, it's less overwhelming. Film is expensive, so you can't spray and pray, you have to think about what's worthwhile to take a photo of. This also means you're more present in the moment. The more manual the camera is, the more you have to think about what you want to shoot because it takes more skill, but it's also more rewarding when you take a great pho…

While I agree 100% on the change of shooting behaviour and film experience, I've had to spend a non-trivial amount of time and money recently trying to scan in a decade (1990-2000) of negatives (~10k?).

Because of the number of boxes sitting there, selectively scanning becomes harder than scanning it all and sorting digitally. No easy wins...

And while shooting digital over the last 20 years resulted in ~60k images, I can store that 2TB in the same volume as a single roll of prints, with the benefits of near-instant retrieval and offsite backups...

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage photos, philosophically?

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Somewhat less philosophically: there is a huge technological problem in keeping photo archives. We entrust our photos to companies like Apple and Google with the attention span of a fruit fly — nobody seems to give any thought to long-term archival. Solutions appear and disappear within several years. Also, all current photo library solutions are deficient and built mostly for a single flashy keynote presentation, no…

https://cyme.io/avalanche-photo-conversion/

I haven't used it personally, but worth checking out. It supports Aperture in the past and worth checking if they still support, or if you can download an older version which supports it.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage photos, philosophically?

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I'll answer the technical & philosophical, technical to address your clutter question.

I have it setup to automatically backup from my phone to a NAS. Then the NAS backs up routinely to Backblaze. It's all automated, I don't even think about it. And it gives me great piece of mind, so it doesn't feel like clutter or a burden.

I routinely cleanup the photos from my phone, but even then, some photos I really like and I keep them on my phone. I try to keep at least a couple of photos from each 'memorable' moment I've captured, to look when I feel like it.

Keeping some photos on my phone helps when impromptu, in a conversation, you want to show something, e.g. Chatting with a barber recently, he asked about my summer and told him about a vacation I took, he was intrigued by some places I described, so he asked if I had some pics, I showed him the few I had on my phone from that.

Many photos I take, I won't keep on my phone because they go to the NAS and I clear them from my phone, but every once in a while, I open the folder in my NAS and it's cool to see and remember all those moments. That 'feel good' increases with time, so I expect the older I get, these will be more valuable. I don't do photos only, I also sometimes record a conversation with a loved one, just because I know one day they won't be there and I'd like to capture their voice.

Recently an aunt was telling me about a prank/revenge thing she did to an ex of her when she was a teenager, I was in tears laughing, and recorded that secretly. In a few years, when she's no longer with us, I'll be damn glad to have captured that and revisit that memory.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage photos, philosophically?

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Everything goes in iCloud Photo Library so it's always available to me on my phone or computer. There's about 2 TB of photos. It gets backed up to my Synology NAS via icloudpd in docker, and then uploaded to Amazon Glacier (3-2-1 backup) For photos of our kids, we have an iCloud shared album that is shared with family (grandparents, aunts/uncles, close friends, etc) so that becomes the curation of all the photos of t…

> I do not take the time to remove duplicates etc, it would take weeks. I can do that when I'm retired

I used to take a lot of time organizing my photo library in Lightroom Classic. Now I have similar philosophy, just leave it. I am sure soon enough we will have AI that will organize photos decently, fix minor issues in photos, and delete dupes and really bad photos.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage photos, philosophically?

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I'll just address my philosophical approach - which is that of a scrapbook.

I don't manage my photos, which I take a fair deal of as i've been living more or less nomadically for 6 years now. I just organize them by year, as the filenames are datestamped.

If a particular photo is something I know will trigger a negative memory, for better or worse I put those in a folder called "lockbox" with no sorting - the idea being I know what i'm getting into when I look in there.

I very rarely review my photos, sometimes once a year when i'm coming up with my plans for the year.

This also matches my journaling - which I treat the same way. I've been journaling almost daily for 20+ years. It's a huge treat to go back to points in time and see what I was thinking and what was going on. I'm regularly surprised on how bad our memory is of what happened vs what we remember happening. I'll often visit it when i'm in a low spot / trapped in a rut.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage photos, philosophically?

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Everything goes in iCloud Photo Library so it's always available to me on my phone or computer. There's about 2 TB of photos. It gets backed up to my Synology NAS via icloudpd in docker, and then uploaded to Amazon Glacier (3-2-1 backup) For photos of our kids, we have an iCloud shared album that is shared with family (grandparents, aunts/uncles, close friends, etc) so that becomes the curation of all the photos of t…

Nice to hear from someone else with a huge iCloud Photo Library--we've got about 1.2 TB! After a lot of experimentation with Google Photos, Synology's photo APP, etc. we finally settled on going all in on the Apple ecosystem (we're an all-Apple family). The game-changer for us was when Apple finally supported shared photo libraries between users.

The ability to search the photo library has been steadily improving (in my experience, Google still has an edge over Apple in this area) and with the advent of new AI technology I only expect it to get better. Except for special occasions I don't even attempt to "organize" or "tag" my photos. It reminds me of how Google Search surpassed early 'library catalog' style indexes like Yahoo.

The biggest downside of iCloud is the lack of an API to access the data programmatically for backups etc. I've experimented with `icloudpd` and it worked OK, but I'm not sure about the long-term stability as it's basically just "screen scraping" iCloud.com to download the photos from the web which is not officially supported by Apple and is sensitive to any changes to the website as well as the (remote?) possibility of getting your account banned. The performance is also bad as it has to download all photos even the ones that are already stored locally.

There’s also `osxphotos` (https://github.com/RhetTbull/osxphotos) which works by reverse engineering the undocumented sqlite database in the photos library that Apple uses for storing the photos metadata. This avoids the performance problems of accessing the library through iCloud.com like `icloudp` does and enables many more features like searching by faces, places, etc. and they have an export function with a ton of options to backup your library.

Finally, I have a side-project working on a simple set-it-and-forget Mac app for backing up your entire photo library (including iCloud Photos) to a local disk, network share, NAS, etc. Unlike the above options, it uses the official Apple PhotoKit library to access the photos and doesn’t require setting up a Python environment, running command-line tools, etc. If you’re interested check it out here: https://www.ibeni.net

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage photos, philosophically?

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I don't take many photos, because the act of taking a picture removes me from being present for whatever it is I'm taking the picture of, and thus reduces my enjoyment of things.

But my wife takes a gazillion photos of everything. I organize them in a directory hierarchy by date, on my NAS. I also run a private wiki at home, and have pages of "special collections" of certain photos by subject matter/event/ whatever that link into the hierarchical directory collection.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage photos, philosophically?

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All photos are migrated from phones to a SSD Raid setup as space fills up. Wife copies some photos, prior to migration, to a Google Drive folder that is shared with extended family. We don't use 'traditional social media'. Photos are generally browsed monthly to yearly, as a method of 'keeping track of who we were'. Similar photos are deleted with a weak emphasis on keeping the 'best' variant.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage photos, philosophically?

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post #57

I don't take many photos, because the act of taking a picture removes me from being present for whatever it is I'm taking the picture of, and thus reduces my enjoyment of things. But my wife takes a gazillion photos of everything. I organize them in a directory hierarchy by date, on my NAS. I also run a private wiki at home, and have pages of "special collections" of certain photos by subject matter/event/ whatever t…

"The act of taking a picture removes me from being present for whatever it is I'm taking the picture of, and thus reduces my enjoyment of things."

Yes.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage photos, philosophically?

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post #32

Somewhat less philosophically: there is a huge technological problem in keeping photo archives. We entrust our photos to companies like Apple and Google with the attention span of a fruit fly — nobody seems to give any thought to long-term archival. Solutions appear and disappear within several years. Also, all current photo library solutions are deficient and built mostly for a single flashy keynote presentation, no…

It has been years since I was involved with this company, but at the time I worked there, Mylio was very much concerned with this problem:

https://mylio.com/

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