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Re: Ask HN: Laid off –> solo founder. Do I look like I'm trying to hide something?

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post #17

I was laid off and took a year off doing nothing. It wasn’t too big of an issue when I recently went looking for a job.

I've done the same thing, twice. When job interviewers ask me, I just tell them the truth: "Eh, I just took some time off because I wanted to, and I could afford it." No one has ever held it against me, and if they did, I wouldn't want to work with them anyway. So, don't worry about it.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off –> solo founder. Do I look like I'm trying to hide something?

#52
impostor syndrome of a kind? don't ever show it. Just the opposite, be proud of what you have been doing aside of work, and without anyone paying you. That proves passion, and passion is rarely found nowadays.

But also, do carefuly read the fine print in the offers/contracts. i have seen a few claiming ownership over things made (by me) after AND ALSO before going there.. esp. if there's any overlap in domains.

sounds ridiculous but happens.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off –> solo founder. Do I look like I'm trying to hide something?

#53
I wouldn't worry about it. Interesting people with non-mainstream development backgrounds stand out in a good way. Over the years I've gotten tired of interviewing the same people over and over.

You'd just look like you tried something different, it didn't work out and you're looking for a job. I'd be most interested in what you learned from the experience and how it could benefit my team.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off –> solo founder. Do I look like I'm trying to hide something?

#54

My philosophy is that you should do what you want to do today, instead of doing something you don’t want to do because of a hypothetical future repercussion. Could this harm future employability? Maybe. But what’s the alternative, work a job you don’t want to maybe have a better chance of working another job you also don’t want in the future? Personally, that’s not the way I’d like to conduct my life. Opinions differ…

A bird in the hand is two in the bush

And, according to the Spanish version of this saying, equivalent to to 100 birds flying.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off –> solo founder. Do I look like I'm trying to hide something?

#55
post #38

As someone who hires people -- If your resume says "Company A 2020-2023, Project Blah, 2023-X" I'll ask you to tell me about the project. If you have something to show for it, then I see no problem. If I say what's Project Blah and you don't have anything to talk about or to show for it then I have questions. I have a friend right now who left Amazon and they are working on a side project. It's actually a great resum…

What if I tell you “played Tears of the Kingdom for six months”? I’m quite serious; not only am I on month two, but many peoples’ side projects are a way to recover from burnout. The trouble is, they don’t realize they need to recover, so they disguise them as side projects — often disguising them from themselves, too. I point this out to make you reconsider a bit whether you might be putting pressure in the wrong pl…

I'll say: Oh, nice. What has your favorite contraption been? Sounds like you needed a break. What lead to that?

If I'm hiring you I need to assess three things:

- Can you do the work I need done?

- Do you want to do the work I need done for the time I need you to do it? (flight risk)

- Will you work well with others on the team?

In all of those answers I'm looking for: Will this person own their story and do I believe them?

Re: Ask HN: Laid off –> solo founder. Do I look like I'm trying to hide something?

#56
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if I tell you “played Tears of the Kingdom for six months”? I’m quite serious; not only am I on month two, but many peoples’ side projects are a way to recover from burnout. The trouble is, they don’t realize they need to recover, so they disguise them as side projects — often disguising them from themselves, too. I point this out to make you reconsider a bit whether you might be putting pressure in the wrong pl…

I'll say: Oh, nice. What has your favorite contraption been? Sounds like you needed a break. What lead to that? If I'm hiring you I need to assess three things: - Can you do the work I need done? - Do you want to do the work I need done for the time I need you to do it? (flight risk) - Will you work well with others on the team? In all of those answers I'm looking for: Will this person own their story and do I believ…

Brilliant answer, and I hope OP sees it. They have nothing to worry about.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off –> solo founder. Do I look like I'm trying to hide something?

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>“Head space” pries a bit far into someone’s personal life. > it only takes one empathetic hiring manager to recognize skill rather than feelings. IMHO, you're overlooking the obvious. I can't possibly go into the back corners of your mind during an interview process. But, I can get some datapoints on your headspace with how you compose responses about your profile and story. My point is candidates need to sell thems…

Haha, I didn’t mean me. I’m an ML researcher. Thank you though. I think it’s fine to agree to disagree. I talked with my hiring manager friend and she said one of their strongest hires said he hasn’t been doing shit for the prior year, and that he’d been super burned out after his last job. She said cool, what do you want to do now? And the rest was history. Your philosophy does cause you to miss out on strong candid…

> Your philosophy does cause you to miss out on strong candidates, though.

Respectfully, no, and I don't think we're disagreeing, but are talking past each other.

[edit: I am supportive of (and share) your mindset that it's constructive to go on a case by case basis and look closer at candidates.]

What I'm proposing doesn't necessarily limit cases. Anecdotally, I've hired people that took long breaks with similar burnout stories and upside.

The fact that your anecdotal hiring success story starts with the "burnout" making it to the hiring interview is statistically very favorable for that candidate, the candidate was pre-qualified by the hiring manager, the candidate was interested enough in the position to interview, and it was a matter of fit.

They've already MOVED PAST the gap in your resume issue. Going back to the original comment, you didn't address (as in your original critique) as to whether the candidate had some explanation for their time. Maybe they didn't and still got/passed the interview? Who knows.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off –> solo founder. Do I look like I'm trying to hide something?

#58
> I'm trying to cover up a long period of unemployment on my resume.

And if a recruiter cares about this, run. Otherwise they'll expect you to devote all of your life to working. It's nonsense.

The answer to your question is, no, don't worry about it.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off –> solo founder. Do I look like I'm trying to hide something?

#59
I had a year long gap in my employment due to attempts of being a founder. The right company hired me because they gof impressed with what I tried to build. The skill to build things end to end and the ability to ship is impressive.

Also told me new employer that I love startups and that I might not last long in his company too because I want my own startup.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off –> solo founder. Do I look like I'm trying to hide something?

#60
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if I tell you “played Tears of the Kingdom for six months”? I’m quite serious; not only am I on month two, but many peoples’ side projects are a way to recover from burnout. The trouble is, they don’t realize they need to recover, so they disguise them as side projects — often disguising them from themselves, too. I point this out to make you reconsider a bit whether you might be putting pressure in the wrong pl…

I'll say: Oh, nice. What has your favorite contraption been? Sounds like you needed a break. What lead to that? If I'm hiring you I need to assess three things: - Can you do the work I need done? - Do you want to do the work I need done for the time I need you to do it? (flight risk) - Will you work well with others on the team? In all of those answers I'm looking for: Will this person own their story and do I believ…

Broadly speaking you're right.

I'd add a 4th though -

Of the pool of successful applicants (there are usually more than one that satisfies your 3 points) are you feeling lucky? Often we have multiple candidates who would be perfect for a job, but ultimately only one post.

At the end of the day we pick one, and often it's more-or-less a coin flip one way or another.

Sometimes you just need a big of luck ..

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