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Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

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Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#51

Here's 7 points to console a programmer worried about the imminent threat ai poses to their job: 1. AI is a tool, not a replacement: AI is designed to assist, not replace, human tasks and decisions. 2. AI needs human supervision: AI technologies require expert human supervision for their creation, maintenance, and evolution. 3. AI creates jobs: AI often creates more jobs than it eliminates by automating routine tasks…

I think this is important for all fields who are worried to keep in mind. Thanks for this. Gonna put it in my notebook. :)

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#54

The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried. It is a tool, and a good one, but not a replacement for the thought required to design an app that will function, scale, and have good UX to result in a marketable product. So use it and enjoy its benefits while letting it help you perform even better. As far as everything else you've said... oof, you need a break. You seem focused on money and ego. Maybe it is time to simpli…

> The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried

I'm curious, as I see quite a few people saying this. You might not be worried about GPT4, but aren't you at least a little concerned about GPT8 or whatever?

Just having a post like this a mere 5 years ago would've been unthinkable yet here we are.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#55
post #36

"...I use ChatGPT on a daily basis to build projects..." Really? What projects? I think its telling that you haven't replied to any of the comments here - is this post just BS? A take that really summed up how I feel about all this hysteria around LLMs and ChatGPT specifically: People are praying to it, treating it like an Oracle. Anything you can dream up, GPT can do. Its exhausting.

>is this post just BS?

I think it is, because the entire thing reads as someone with very little life experience. If they've truly been in the industry 20 years they would have experienced plenty of similar career anxieties - the .com boom/bust, outsourcing, and global financial crises.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#56
LLMs like (Chat)GPT won't take your job. Software engineering is a creative job. Language models are not creative. Imagine that instead of using SQL to query a database of knowledge you use plain English. They can't create anything on their own. If they interpolate from their knowledge, it's usually fine. If they extrapolate, the outcome is shit. For instance, ChatGPT has enough knowledge (training data) about Python and Java. It can generate unit tests for Python and Java functions. I threw a less-known language, Common Lisp, the other day on it. It failed miserably (calling functions which didn't exist, calling with wrong number of parameters, it even imagined a mocking library which doesn't exist at all!). The more I know about machine learning and artificial intelligence (I study that stuff in a Ph.D. programme) the less I am worried. AI isn't dangerous. The only "intelligence" in AI is in its name. Nowadays machine learning really boils down to matrix multiplications (and set of (usually quite static) rules which can change the numbers in the matrices). People not understanding it and misusing it are. Does the vast majority corporate managers understand AI? We know the answer.

There is a ChatGPT craze right now but it will cool down eventually. It's not the first time this is happening. Google changed the way we search the internet, suddenly everything can be at your fingertips. Teachers didn't lose their jobs and people still go to school since you can't google things when you don't know the fundamentals of the topic. Chatbots changed the way we approach customer support. Support people didn't lose their jobs (at least entirely), since chatbots are subpar experience. If you are 20 years in, you can probably remember Visual Basic 6 - a tool which everybody can learn and write programs easily. We, software engineers, didn't lose our jobs.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#57

I've been using ChatGPT to provide output for very basic stuff, it's 50/50 if it works for the basic stuff. And 100% fails on complex stuff. It's super useful for finding out how things work like asking it how to use an SDK to do something it works really well for it even provides stuff I searched the docs repeatedly for. But for complex logic that I want to be too lazy to do, it literally just wastes my time. I trie…

My experience to date is very much along the lines of your experiences. ChatGPT is basically returning a mashup of what it previously found on the internet.

Statistical correlation != innovative solutions to real world problems.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#58
Relax. ChatGPT, GPT-3, GPT-4, etc. is not at the point where it can replace a human programmer/engineer.

It's great as an assistant, but still very much needs a human.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#59
I hear your stress, and that sounds awful to experience.

Imagine experiencing the leap from assembly to Python, almost overnight. That would feel terrifying as an assembly engineer, but people would realize at least for certain types of projects, they are now significantly more productive using Python. Moreover, that new speed quickly becomes the expectation. Assembly programmers have their niche, but there's significant demand for python people. Demand grew to meet supply.

I think artists are experiencing a similar crisis. Me, with no art skills can make beautiful pictures. However, my friends who were already artists are making breathtaking things by embracing these tools. My view is that these tools are ultimately going to move artists from assembly to Python.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#60
There are a lot of developers in denial here.

I write code for scientific applications. I used to hire/contract out some work to other devs. In the last 6 months I haven't needed to hire anybody else, doing so would have been a waste of money. This is 100% because of chatgpt.

Many devs are hired by other devs and these people are aware enough to know they don't need you anymore.

Other developers have been spoiled by being the one-eyed person in a room full of blind people. Those developers maybe haven't quite realize what has happened, after all, the blind people still can't code.

The conversation around junior developers is particularly upsetting.

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