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Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

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Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

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> Despite being a smart person, I've never been the kind of A type personality who does well at school. The environment just doesn't suit me. That's a feature. The fact that we expect kids to wake up at 7am, sit and pay attention in silence for hours is mindbogglingly absurd. For a decade after leaving school, I had residual semi-PTSD after getting home from work, with the feeling that I had to study or prepare homew…

i thought your story sounded familiar so i checked and definitely remember klesh aha! i was actively working on a toy os around the same time and staying up all night on irc

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

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> Despite being a smart person, I've never been the kind of A type personality who does well at school. It’s hard to measure smart. Especially to measure myself. How do I know if I’m smart or stupid? Beats me. I’ve met people who think they are dumb and seem like a genius to me. And I’ve met people who wear “I’m a genius” and literally showed me a Mensa card and seemed very dumb to me. I’ve met lots of people claim t…

Agree with everything you said, but want to add something regarding the school systems worldwide: they're designed for the average kid. And I mean more than intellectually average. Just average in general, which inclides "neuro-typicality", or family situation, etc.

So, depending on what makes the kid an an outlier, they might struggle in this system that wasn't designed for their needs.

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#53
Life is a random walk. Doing well on some random point just opens up more future sub-trees at that point. Doing not so-well at some point means you have less opportunities at that moment; as you chug long, you may step on another point, which can lead to a great success. This doesn't mean that one should treat one's life haphazardly matter (come what may); learn from earlier generations, others' lives, from one's own past, and navigate life without a large variation (or standard deviation)

Some points (say, set X) are impossible to reach, because one doesn't end up on a point that reaches X. For instance, MBB consulting recruits students from elite Ivy League. Usually, MBB alumni moves to F100 companies laterally, thereby reaching C-levels faster. You can read posts on collegeconfidential dot com, how some students plan a course of action when they were in middle school to get into million dollars per annum jobs. The chance of success is higher if one traverses the well-trodden path, that's why there is a rat race.

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#54
I get you.

I've dropped out of highschool due to lack of attendance, lost almost 4 years trying to figure out what is wrong me. Put my parents through hell, wasn't nice. In the end I've realized that I wasn't depressed because of childhood traumas or whatever, but because I wasn't able to commit to studying, or to be able to properly focus on anything. Which in turn made me feel like shit, vicious cycle. Getting through high school would be easy, but that wouldn't fly in college. I literally read one page of notes and went to do 10 different things, before I realized that I'm supposed to do something else.

I'm writing that because a lot of helpful people tried to figure out what is going on with me, but I think that I've hidden the real thing (focus issues, missing some basic social queues, thinking "too fast") that was "different", so well, that I only could have realized that I have something ADHD-related at 24, as an adult.

Anyways, finished high school alternatively, now doing 2 degrees at uni, it's the exact same struggle, but I know myself better and it kind of goes. Medication is terrible, it's either methamphetamines for life or nothing. My grades are still terrible, but you can find your worth elsewhere.

I am both incredibly happy and frustrated it was pre-me that post-COVID online schooling gets more credit and justification for people with various struggles. I know that it would have saved me at least 2-3 years, so I look out for what is going on in that field. Cheers

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

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High school drop-out with 1.76 GPA. I got a GED, and finished about 60 or so credits of community college before dropping out of that too. I'm approaching almost two decades now of software development. My second job in the field was at Intel. Lots of other big and small companies in between since. Currently working for a FAANG company.

I grew up poor as fuck and in shady neighborhoods hanging out with street hoodlums associated with real gangs. Pile on ADHD and later on diagnosed with schizotypal personality disorder, I didn't really stand a chance. Somewhere in my late teens I decided to drop all my meds and just harness the advantages that my mental conditions gave me. I had to work 10x harder and smarter than my academic peers to get where I am, but I made it :)

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

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It took me 8 years to get my BS degree. I would say that when I started I just didn't have the discipline to buckle down and do the work. My personality tends contrarian, so there is something about our Victorian education system that has always made me bristle. It took me until age 22 to develop the maturity to properly apply myself. The turning point for me was actually wanting to learn versus just going through the motions to get the credential. I recognize that's a privileged position, but it is what it is.

I can't help but notice you mention three times what you've "been told". Your frustration with the gatekeepers is palpable, but remember the world is a big place and college administrators are not notable for their broader influence; don't let them get in your head! What I'll say is this: a lot of things in life come down to intrinsic motivation. Why is it that you are in college? If your goal is to become a professional programmer than go write code and build stuff, get your foot in the door somewhere, and show what you can do.

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#58
Yeah it sucks... Your grades are just a snapshot of knowledge at some point in time but not a reflection of your self-worth or future. It is important to remember that.

Only you can really answer this and it is a big step on the path to life long learning. Look at the parts you control vs external locus. Then move on, don't dwell, the only way is forward.

The ADHD thing will depend on who told you.. was it a professional? If so I would try to see why they diagnosed you that way and again self-reflect, what do you have control over and would medication or adaptive strategies help. If it was just a concerned comment from someone you trust, then maybe get evaluated. Again just reflect on it and come to your own answer. Maybe it is nothing.

There's a lot going on in a CS degree program across a wide range of intellectual subjects. What might be helpful is to think about what the CS programme is really trying to teach and that is how to learn and operate at these various levels of abstraction and how to come up with new levels of abstraction (or at least introduces you to thinking in that way, basically what people now term computational thinking. We use these abstractions to study computation itself and the world etc...

So to translate, in the "real world" you will be writing software at various levels of abstraction to solve some problem domain. That is why the degree is useful. The specific implementation details depend on the job itself.

But you can have a successful career just operating at one level of abstraction and know it well. Cobol programmers are still in demand for example. :)

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

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> Despite being a smart person, I've never been the kind of A type personality who does well at school. It’s hard to measure smart. Especially to measure myself. How do I know if I’m smart or stupid? Beats me. I’ve met people who think they are dumb and seem like a genius to me. And I’ve met people who wear “I’m a genius” and literally showed me a Mensa card and seemed very dumb to me. I’ve met lots of people claim t…

Once when I was young I mentioned something about being smart. My dad asked, "what makes you think you are smart?" In my youthful arrogance I didn't have an answer, but the question stuck with me, especially in light of all the studies showing that praising kids for hard work increases performance, and praising them for intelligence suppresses it.

The fact is: one should avoid even having an opinion on ones own intelligence. It's a form of ego-driven navel-gazing, and can only hurt you. On the other hand, if you dedicate yourself to deep understanding, attentive listening, clear communication, and thinking things through in your work, you will develop a reputation that goes far beyond "smart".

Re: Ask HN: Did Anyone Else Here Simply Not Do Well at School?

#60
post #25

My path sounds similar :) I started at UC Berkeley in 2010 as a Political Economy major. Hated it, tried the intro CS class because I liked computers, loved that one, but struggled to find motivation for required math classes with tons of homework. Had to take a semester off to work to support myself. I made friends with great people at my student job, joining a cybersecurity team, doing some psychedelics. Didn’t sca…

That's a big inspiration, thanks
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