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Re: Ask HN: How do you synthesize books that you read?

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When I used to be an overintellectualizing, overacademizing nerd, I would use complex and regimented notetaking and review systems. The whole gamut from trendy notetaking wiki-type apps to flashcard spaced-repetition apps like anki. These things made me feel like I was learning. Flashcards and notetaking itself were fun games. I felt like I'd stumbled onto this hyper-optimized efficient way to learn whatever I wanted…

Generally agree.

There is a case for writing down the stuff you learned though (into your notebook, app, zettelkasten, whatever). When I try to note down a concept I learned, I feel like sort of explaining it to myself. And often, I will quickly discover holes in my understanding. A good note-taking software can also point out connections to other stuff (mostly in the form of other notes) I maybe wouldn't have made. Maybe others don't need that, but I am bad at making connections.

Re: Ask HN: How do you synthesize books that you read?

#53
There are a few things you need to do:

- reread/rewatch/relisten (not necessarily the whole thing, just parts (and at varying intervals))

- talk about and/or explain it to and with others

- read negative takes on what you just read/saw/heard (not just positive ones)

- actually do whatever it is you think you've learned

Re: Ask HN: How do you synthesize books that you read?

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post #15

I say that I learn best by reading (which is true), but an essential component of that is that I find ways to actually use what I'm learning -- because I really learn best by doing. If the book is about making data-intensive applications, for instance, I'll write such an application as I work through the book, using the concepts that I'm reading about. I'll also not worry about memorizing every bit of knowledge in th…

>because I really learn best by doing

It's not just you - everyone learns best by doing

Re: Ask HN: How do you synthesize books that you read?

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I recently discovered I have aphantasia. I lack the ability to visualize anything with my mind's eye, it's just blank. As I've delved into what aphantasia is and how it affects my brain processes in general it became very apparent to me that what I learn, how I learn, and my ability to retain that learning are deeply tied to my inability to visualize and the coping mechanisms I've developed to compensate.

Visualization, just like every trait, is a spectrum. I would recommend anyone analyzing their learning methods to take the Vividness of Visual Imagery Questionnaire (available at https://aphantasia.com/vviq) and see where you fall on the spectrum. I am about as far on the aphantasia side as you can get but my wife is the opposite and is considered a hyper-visualizer. The condition was named from the visual aspects but it can effect all senses. I can't hear music or imagine what voices sound like. I can't do impressions of people, I can't draw, I can't play guitar, etc. Some people with aphantasia can though so it's not a hard and fast rule. But making those realizations about myself has lifted a burden I didn't know was there. I can sell my guitar and stop being frustrated about why lessons aren't working. I can stop trying to draw pictures that look nothing like my intentions. I can stop wondering why I have no memory of where my wife left her keys. Most importantly, I could identify my coping mechanisms and focus on improving them.

Exploring the differences between how we think and learn has been a huge help to me personally, professionally and with my relationships. Not many specifics for OP's question but I just want to share awareness of Aphantasia and help others start their own journey of self-reflection and improvement.

EDIT: I thought of one specific example of how I learn that may help. There is something about the physical aspect of doing that solidifies something into my memory. The cool part is the physical act of writing something down counts for me. I can write something down and then throw away the paper and I will usually remember it just fine. It's the physical motions that trigger my brain to form the memories.

Re: Ask HN: How do you synthesize books that you read?

#57

When I used to be an overintellectualizing, overacademizing nerd, I would use complex and regimented notetaking and review systems. The whole gamut from trendy notetaking wiki-type apps to flashcard spaced-repetition apps like anki. These things made me feel like I was learning. Flashcards and notetaking itself were fun games. I felt like I'd stumbled onto this hyper-optimized efficient way to learn whatever I wanted…

This is me too. Learning by doing means making mistakes in real life rather than things remaining in the realm of intellectual exercise where everything is neat and tidy.

Some people have a linear happy path to learning — they seem to be able to acquire all the right knowledge and avoid mistakes.

But I learn from doing the wrong things — the resulting cognitive dissonance burns the lesson into my head. This is an expensive way to learn because you have to make a lot of mistakes and bear the resulting shame. But over time I learned to avoid fatal mistakes and make the merely stupid ones.

I’ve always been inspired by a quote by Goro Shimura about his colleague Yutaka Taniyama (both of the Taniyama Shimura Conjecture fame, which led to the proof of Fermat’s last theorem):

“He was not a very careful person as a mathematician. He made a lot of mistakes. But he made mistakes in a good direction. I tried to imitate him. But I've realized that it's very difficult to make good mistakes.”

Re: Ask HN: How do you synthesize books that you read?

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When I used to be an overintellectualizing, overacademizing nerd, I would use complex and regimented notetaking and review systems. The whole gamut from trendy notetaking wiki-type apps to flashcard spaced-repetition apps like anki. These things made me feel like I was learning. Flashcards and notetaking itself were fun games. I felt like I'd stumbled onto this hyper-optimized efficient way to learn whatever I wanted…

"Pitting the learning of basic knowledge against the development of creative thinking is a false choice."

- make it stick: Brown, Roediger, McDaniel

Re: Ask HN: How do you synthesize books that you read?

#59

I recently discovered I have aphantasia. I lack the ability to visualize anything with my mind's eye, it's just blank. As I've delved into what aphantasia is and how it affects my brain processes in general it became very apparent to me that what I learn, how I learn, and my ability to retain that learning are deeply tied to my inability to visualize and the coping mechanisms I've developed to compensate. Visualizati…

Wow, I've always wondered if I was the only one or how to even describe it in one word. Thanks for this. I dont have much creativity because I can't imagine in my mind, I have to put it down on paper. I can't draw from my mind, can't put a tune together. But I can copy patterns well.

Re: Ask HN: How do you synthesize books that you read?

#60
I only read nonfiction (since I was 8 because a teacher told me I couldn’t check out any more nonfiction books from the library).

Just read the entire book in as little time as possible. And then try to use the information as soon as you can.

The reason is that isolated facts are easy to forget. A book contains a great many facts all related to each other. So if you read the book quickly the greater likelihood that you’ll associate more of these facts together. If you can use the information, even better, since it’ll reinforce what you learned. And/or read a more advanced book on the same topic immediately after.

People often take a really long time to read nonfiction, causing them to forget a lot of details, making it difficult to build this relational model of the information. Build up your tolerance for learning. It’s entirely possible to read for the entire day from waking up to going to sleep.

And no, this does not involve taking notes or breaks (unless you finish the book.. then do whatever you want but I find sleep after to be helpful for remembering).

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